Chat Archive: 10/15/2002

This chat was run on October 15, 2002 from 9 PM EST to 10:15 PM EST. The topic was: Chapter President's Chat

Session Start: Tue Oct 15 20:55:28 2002
Session Ident: #chatusy
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[20:55] *** Topic is 'Chapter Presidents' Chat'
[20:55] *** Set by Jason_Lustig on Tue Oct 15 19:40:39
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[20:58] <GaBerkowitz> sorry i just booted myself accidentaly
[20:58] <GaBerkowitz> hey hagalil
[20:58] <GaBerkowitz> whats up?
[20:58] <Jason_Lustig> hey
[20:58] <Hagalil> hi
[20:58] <Jason_Lustig> what's your name?
[20:58] <Hagalil> just relaxin' on the phone - u?
[20:58] <Hagalil> danielle
[20:58] <Jason_Lustig> oh hi
[20:59] <Hagalil> hi
[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> just waiting to get thsi party sharted
[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> right gabe?
[20:59] <GaBerkowitz> exactly
[20:59] <GaBerkowitz> i'll go get people
[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> get people?
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[21:01] <Jason_Lustig> hey
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[21:01] <Hagalil> hi
[21:01] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hey all
[21:01] <Jason_Lustig> btw Hagalil you may want to change your nickname to somthing that people will be able to understand... something like DanielleHagalil or something
[21:02] <Hagalil> ok :)
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> so justin
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[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> where from hagalil are you? i know a lot of people in hagalil.
[21:02] <DanielleHagalil> edison
[21:02] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> aberdeen (AUSY)
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> oh cool
[21:02] <DanielleHagalil> who do u know?
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> a lot of them graduated last year
[21:03] <Jason_Lustig> i was on pilgrimage with a LOT of hagalil people
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[21:03] <DanielleHagalil> oo, we had alot of kool seniors last year
[21:03] <DanielleHagalil> thats kool
[21:03] <Jason_Lustig> like adam baldachin, kaplowitz, seth weiner, etc
[21:03] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i know them
[21:03] <DanielleHagalil> yea, thay're all really nice
[21:03] <Jason_Lustig> hi, usyer!
[21:03] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> who is usyer
[21:04] <Jason_Lustig> i'm not sure -- usyer, why don't you tell us? ;)
[21:05] <GaBerkowitz> so guys, hows usy going? did u guys go to encampment?
[21:05] <Jason_Lustig> tzafon's encampment rocked!
[21:05] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hagalil's was great
[21:05] <DanielleHagalil> yup
[21:06] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> u guys going to international?
[21:06] <GaBerkowitz> did u guys meet a staff member named yonatan or liz?
[21:06] <Jason_Lustig> international is going to be awesome
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[21:06] <GaBerkowitz> they both staffed my wheels bus
[21:06] <Jason_Lustig> hi!
[21:06] <DanielleHagalil> i know liz
[21:06] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hey reeca
[21:06] <Reeca> Hi
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Session Close: Tue Oct 15 21:06:46 2002

Session Start: Tue Oct 15 21:06:50 2002
Session Ident: #chatusy
[21:06] *** Now talking in #chatusy
[21:06] *** Topic is 'Chapter Presidents' Chat'
[21:06] *** Set by Jason_Lustig on Tue Oct 15 19:40:39
[21:06] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> where u from?
[21:06] <Jason_Lustig> sorry guys
[21:06] <GaBerkowitz> where r u from reeca
[21:07] <Reeca> chusy
[21:07] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> cool
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Session Close: Tue Oct 15 21:07:30 2002

Session Start: Tue Oct 15 21:07:50 2002
Session Ident: #chatusy
[21:07] *** Now talking in #chatusy
[21:07] *** Topic is 'Chapter Presidents' Chat'
[21:07] *** Set by Jason_Lustig on Tue Oct 15 19:40:39
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[21:07] <Jason_Lustig> hey guys
[21:07] <Jason_Lustig> sorry bout that
[21:08] <GaBerkowitz> fun?
[21:08] <GaBerkowitz> harder than you thought?
[21:08] <GaBerkowitz> less work than you thought?
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[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> what are you talking about?
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[21:08] <GaBerkowitz> being a chapter prez
[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> ah
[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> makes sense
[21:09] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i found communications to be the hardest
[21:09] <Jason_Lustig> why?
[21:09] <GaBerkowitz> like communicating with others, or doing like a website and a newsletter
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[21:09] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> once i passed that on, the hardest part about being prez is communicating with the board
[21:09] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> both
[21:09] <GaBerkowitz> i know what you mean
[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[21:10] <GaBerkowitz> on my chapter board, one kid never shows up for meetings so it's so hard to like get in touch with him,
[21:10] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i've been on board all 4 years, and so far, being prez is tough, but communications is very hard
[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> when the board can't communicate with each other, nothing can get done... which sucks even more than if the communications betwwen the members and the board is not so good
[21:10] <GaBerkowitz> comm is the hardest non-prez position on board
[21:11] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> absolutely
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> yeah it is...
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> last year my chapter's comm vp didn't do ANYTHING and nobody knew what was going on
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> :(
[21:11] <GaBerkowitz> thats the story with my chapter this year
[21:11] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> mine didnt before me, and then i taught this year's so all should be good
[21:11] <GaBerkowitz> it just puts more work on the prez and it isn't really fair
[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> but it's stuff you just gotta do
[21:12] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> my chapter has been on a downhill slope until this year
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> well comm takes a lot of time so even if they know how to do it they might still not do it
[21:12] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> membership doubled
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> tahts great
[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> sweet
[21:12] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> true
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[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> how many members do u have
[21:12] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> 26
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> that's good
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[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> and u finished w/13 last yr
[21:12] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> not a lot, but we are sending flyers to 52 people
[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> ?
[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> its a really good
[21:12] <GaBerkowitz> hey leora
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> hey
[21:13] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> 26 is not a lot, but its better than 13
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> leora, what region are you from?
[21:13] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hey leora
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> my chapter's about that big
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> (26)
[21:13] <Leora> i am from ECRUSY
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> very cool
[21:14] <Leora> i was chapter president for 2 years here...
[21:14] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> wow, cool
[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> that's awesome
[21:14] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> to help with comm problems, this year my chapter has co-comm v.p.
[21:14] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> 's
[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> thats good
[21:14] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> so leora, any suggestions?
[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> but what might happen with that is that one person does all the work and the other person does nothing
[21:15] <GaBerkowitz> how many kids total do u have on board>
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> unfortunately
[21:15] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we split the jobs
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> so there are two people for each position?
[21:15] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> no
[21:15] <GaBerkowitz> just comm?
[21:15] <Leora> co-positions on board isnt always the geratest thing, there can be a lot of communication problems,
[21:15] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i have 1 pres, 1 sato, 1 frosh rep, 2 israel, and 2 comm, and 1 reled
[21:16] <Leora> one of the other chapters here has co-prez, and they are haveing a very hard time
[21:16] <Jason_Lustig> well what my chapter almost did for this year was to have two comm vps
[21:16] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i wouldnt be able to do it with a large chapter, but since aberdeen is so small, i see everyone all the time
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[21:16] <GaBerkowitz> to make sure people r doing work
[21:16] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i can chek up on them
[21:16] <Jason_Lustig> and each of them would have different jobs -- one would be in charge of newsletters, the other in charge of websites and phone calls
[21:17] <Jason_Lustig> so that it was really like two differnet positions
[21:17] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we also have a board meeting every month this year
[21:17] <GaBerkowitz> hey betsay
[21:17] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> mine too
[21:17] <GaBerkowitz> who r ya, and where r u from
[21:17] <BetsAy> hey gabe
[21:17] <Jason_Lustig> yo betsay
[21:17] <GaBerkowitz> is this betsay from bus g betsay
[21:17] <BetsAy> im betsey...from yorktown chapter of koach in METNY usy
[21:17] <BetsAy> you know who i am..
[21:17] <BetsAy> ha yeah it is
[21:17] <BetsAy> you know it gabe
[21:17] <GaBerkowitz> so how u likeing being a chapter prez
[21:18] <GaBerkowitz> were just talking about our boards and co-positions
[21:18] <BetsAy> i like it..this is my second yar
[21:18] <BetsAy> *year
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> great
[21:18] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> any suggestions?
[21:18] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> for us first-timers?
[21:18] <BetsAy> yeah, actually...my chapter just folded recently cause our youth director bailed out on ut
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> do you feel that having done it a year before this will make it just that much easier, having the experience?
[21:19] <BetsAy> yeah i do...but the thing is...we have never really had a strong chapte
[21:19] <BetsAy> r
[21:19] <BetsAy> there'
[21:19] <BetsAy> there's maybe three or four active members in our chapter
[21:19] <GaBerkowitz> u said ur chapter folded, it just doesnt exsist anymore?
[21:19] <Jason_Lustig> that sucks
[21:19] <BetsAy> well..it didnt
[21:19] <Rachel> hey
[21:19] <Jason_Lustig> so you're a re-started chapter?
[21:19] <GaBerkowitz> it didnt what?
[21:19] <BetsAy> it folded...
[21:19] <Leora> i also did it for two years and i am not on regional board this year, for your second time around, DONT GET FRUSTERATED i did that last year because i had a really hard time, dont give up near then end!
[21:20] <BetsAy> i went to board weekend last wd
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[21:20] <BetsAy> *weekend
[21:20] <BetsAy> and i was under the impression that
[21:20] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hagalil is having a convention for board members next weekend
[21:20] <BetsAy> we just needed a new youth directr
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[21:20] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> it seems that advisors are becoming harder and harder to come by
[21:20] <BetsAy> but, i was informed AT BOARD WEekend that my chapter had folded
[21:21] <Jason_Lustig> so are you still looking for an advisor/YD?
[21:21] <BetsAy> to make a long story short..i got "on the ball" and we now have a new youth director who im meeting with sometime this week
[21:21] <Jason_Lustig> that's great
[21:21] <Jason_Lustig> we have a new advisor this year
[21:21] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> very nice
[21:21] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> hows that going?
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[21:21] <GaBerkowitz> hey rachel
[21:22] <RachelCase_Buffalo> hey gabe
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> new advisors can be a good thing, but if they don't have much experience amd dpmthen it can be a deterrent
[21:22] <BetsAy> that was a LONG story guys
[21:22] <BetsAy> well she does
[21:22] <BetsAy> she was really active in usy
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> that's always a good thing for an advisor
[21:22] <RachelCase_Buffalo> my chapter just got a new advisor last month
[21:22] <BetsAy> and was in my position her senior year in usy...when her chapter folded out of no where
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> yeah i was just explaining that :)
[21:22] <RachelCase_Buffalo> ah...missed that
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> (rachel and i am from the same chapter if anyone is missing that)
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[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> hey ferman
[21:23] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> now it all makes sense
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[21:23] <Michael_Ferman> Hey All!
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> hi robyn!
[21:23] <Leora> Ferman!!!!!!
[21:23] <BetsAy> where are rachel and jason from?
[21:23] <RachelCase_Buffalo> hi again robyn
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> buffalo, ny
[21:23] <RachelCase_Buffalo> buffalo, NY
[21:23] <robyn> leora!
[21:23] <BetsAy> ahh yeah buffalo
[21:23] <RachelCase_Buffalo> land of the snow
[21:23] <BetsAy> yeah
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> not at this time of the year
[21:24] <Jason_Lustig> the weather up here was beautiful today
[21:24] <RachelCase_Buffalo> nope
[21:24] <robyn> hi guys
[21:24] <BetsAy> where's leora from?
[21:24] <robyn> canada!!
[21:24] <RachelCase_Buffalo> canada
[21:24] <RachelCase_Buffalo> yay!
[21:24] <Jason_Lustig> canada what what?
[21:24] <RachelCase_Buffalo> wait, which leaora?
[21:24] <Leora> yeah i am a past president of two years and currently on reional baord!
[21:24] <Leora> Kimmel
[21:24] <BetsAy> where's robyn from?
[21:24] <RachelCase_Buffalo> oh, hey!
[21:24] <Leora> whats up!
[21:24] <Leora> ROBYN CHICKIE!!
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[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> so guys
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[21:25] <GaBerkowitz> so guys, hows being a chpt. prez?
[21:26] <GaBerkowitz> fun?
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> exciting?
[21:26] <GaBerkowitz> challenging?
[21:26] <BetsAy> i like it
[21:26] <BetsAy> FRUSTRATINGggg
[21:26] <BetsAy> is a Good word
[21:26] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> lol
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> what do you mean?
[21:26] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> does anyone have problems with their advisors?
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[21:27] <BetsAy> because...we have no board really
[21:27] <BetsAy> so i wind up being 5 positions
[21:27] <BetsAy> instead of one
[21:27] <Leora> i do... but things are getting better
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> do you want to tell us about it?
[21:27] <BetsAy> who?
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> leora
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> or really anyone who wants to talk about their advisor
[21:28] <Leora> well we had a really big problem because he was just doing everything on his own, and i really couldnt say anything because i couldnt go to anyone about it. then towards the end of last year i started speaking out and thigns started to work better
[21:28] <GaBerkowitz> i love my youth director
[21:29] <GaBerkowitz> we're baisically best friends
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> we know that gabe
[21:29] <Leora> but now there is a new president and she doesnt speak out to him, and he is doing everythign with out contacting or asking the exec so now we are back at square one
[21:29] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> my advisor is really nice, but with her kids and stuff, i think she sometimes doesnt get things done the way i'd expect
[21:30] <GaBerkowitz> it's cause i have no other friends
[21:30] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i couldnt say anything, but then my dad became youth commission chair and he spoke to her, and things are getting better
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> leora: couldn't the board come together and approach the prez?
[21:30] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> with my dad backing me up, i am speaking out more than last year's prez
[21:30] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> jason's right
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> when things aren't working right, you shouldn't just sit around and do nothing -- you should fix what you see is wrong
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[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> whether it is a board member not doing anything, or doing everything (whatever the case may be) or a not-so-good youth director
[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> hi jon!
[21:31] <jon> hey
[21:31] <BetsAy> hey guys...i actually have to go..
[21:31] <Leora> see this year i cant say anythign because i am not on board and i dont want to intrude on things that arent suppose to be my jobs and i have kinda been pushed out from being invloved in board things
[21:31] <robyn> i really love leroa
[21:32] <BetsAy> bye guys
[21:32] <BetsAy> sorry bout leaving
[21:32] <GaBerkowitz> hey robyn
[21:32] <NorthCALchic> i dont think it would be intruding
[21:32] <NorthCALchic> leora
[21:32] <GaBerkowitz> me either
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[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> if you're offering them "advice" then i don't see that as intruding...
[21:32] <GaBerkowitz> about intruding
[21:32] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> me either
[21:32] <GaBerkowitz> it's just gotta be said the right way
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[21:32] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> what gb said
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> if you say it the wrong way then that could be really bad
[21:32] <jon> i wish i got outside advice
[21:33] <robyn> hey gave
[21:33] <robyn> gabe
[21:33] <GaBerkowitz> how goes it
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> but also, as a past president the prez can always come to you with questinos/problems
[21:33] <robyn> its good u
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> so how did everyone's opening programs go?
[21:34] <GaBerkowitz> as past president u should have the ability (if u want to) to sit in on baord meetings
[21:35] <GaBerkowitz> in my chapter, the past prez is invited to all the chptr. board meetings
[21:35] <NorthCALchic> i think presidents are usually open to suggestions and concerns too
[21:35] <GaBerkowitz> but doesnt get a vote if this r voted on
[21:35] <GaBerkowitz> by this i mean things
[21:35] <GaBerkowitz> but anyway, back to what jason was saying, how were peoples opening programs?
[21:36] <GaBerkowitz> what did u guys do?
[21:36] <GaBerkowitz> how'd they turn out?
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[21:36] <Leora> hi leorawanttobe!! ha ha ha
[21:36] <Jason_Lustig> well, ours went pretty well
[21:36] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i had an opening bbq
[21:36] <Jason_Lustig> did you get a lot of new members?
[21:36] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> it wasnt bad
[21:37] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> then we had a "supper in the sukkah" and had a good turnout
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[21:37] <robyn> who is leora want to be
[21:37] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we even got a frosh rep for the 1st time since i was it
[21:37] <Jason_Lustig> did these people join, or did they just show up?
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[21:37] <Jason_Lustig> bc we had a lot of people show up at our opening program
[21:37] <Jason_Lustig> but not so many of the new people actually sent in their forms
[21:37] <Leora> we had human bingo for USY and kadima was a limo sukkah hop
[21:37] <jon> o man, ure from buffalo coolest city ever
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[21:38] <GaBerkowitz> do u make them pay b4 they attended the first event?
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[21:38] <BTAYQueen212> hey everyone!
[21:38] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> mine had to pay by the sukkah event
[21:38] <BTAYQueen212> sorry im late, i had a youth commision meeting
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> we let people come to an event if they haven't joined yet
[21:38] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> opening was more of an introduction
[21:38] <RachelCase_Buffalo> well insted of ignoring you all, i'm going to go finish my AP work
[21:38] <GaBerkowitz> so do we, the theory is
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> bc some people don't want to shell out $25 to go to one event, in case they dont like it
[21:38] <GaBerkowitz> if they come and have a good time they will sign up for usy
[21:39] <RachelCase_Buffalo> talk to you later!
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> yeah but some people are just lazy....
[21:39] <NorthCALchic> bye
[21:39] <BTAYQueen212> yeah so, anyone from hanegev?
[21:39] <jon> i am
[21:39] <robyn> dave goldberg
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[21:39] <BTAYQueen212> what chapter?
[21:39] <jon> INC prez
[21:39] <jon> aka Ravi
[21:39] <BTAYQueen212> oh hey....we missed oyu at pres weekend
[21:40] <jon> i know i got back from summer the day b4
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[21:40] <BTAYQueen212> i see
[21:40] <Jason_Lustig> so what are you guys doing to start the year out strong?
[21:40] <Jason_Lustig> anything special?
[21:40] <GaBerkowitz> i know in my chapter we are going to the circus
[21:40] <Beckaroni> we had a video scavenger hunt last weekend
[21:40] <GaBerkowitz> how was it?
[21:41] <BTAYQueen212> we had this awesome event....130 kids
[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> a video scavenger hunt?
[21:41] <Beckaroni> it went really well.. huge turnout
[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> how does that work
[21:41] <GaBerkowitz> what did u do to get 130 kids
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[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> hi hirsch!
[21:41] <Pubs_Coordinator> hi
[21:41] <Beckaroni> ya.. we went downtown, split into groups and video taped us finding and doing funny things
[21:41] <Leora> anyways i am leaving if u guys have any other questions please feel frewe to call me... bye leorawanttobe... and i love you robyn
[21:41] <Beckaroni> sorry. .that was definatly a type
[21:41] <Beckaroni> we had about 30
[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> oh that's a big difference...
[21:41] <BTAYQueen212> it was an over night...party cruise, arcade, bowling, billiards, beach
[21:42] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> my last name's hirsch
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[21:42] <BTAYQueen212> whoa re you?
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[21:42] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we were thinking about doing a lock-in or teen-night dance or something
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[21:42] <Jason_Lustig> shul-ins are pretty much the only thing in my chapter that's 100% sure to be a hit
[21:42] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> but getting a dj is hard
[21:42] <BTAYQueen212> So for interantional post convention im hosting hagalil...anyone from there?
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[21:43] <BTAYQueen212> wehn does this chat end?
[21:43] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> where u from btay?
[21:43] <BTAYQueen212> obviously....
[21:43] <BTAYQueen212> BTAY queen kidna gives it away
[21:43] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> ok
[21:43] <GaBerkowitz> so, how r u guys doing as far as re-recruiting old members?
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[21:44] <BTAYQueen212> not too good
[21:44] <Jason_Lustig> especially those S-E-N-I-O-R-S
[21:44] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> all my old members returned
[21:44] <GaBerkowitz> do u have a lot of people who were members last yr, but for some reason haven't signed up again this yr
[21:44] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we have no juniors
[21:44] <BTAYQueen212> only about 3 seniors from last year came
[21:44] <Beckaroni> pretty much everyone is back, but we lost a lot of seniors from last year
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[21:44] <Jason_Lustig> we have like 2 seniors in my chapter, but my class has always been small
[21:44] <BTAYQueen212> we have like 3 juniors and whole mess of sophmores and freshman
[21:44] <Beckaroni> and so far we've had a great turnout for new members
[21:44] <GaBerkowitz> thats really good
[21:45] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we have seniors, sophs and froshs but no juniors
[21:45] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> frosh group is huge
[21:45] <Jason_Lustig> if you have a lot of sophs and froshes then that means that you have a strong future
[21:45] <jon_rose> 0 seniors in my chapter
[21:45] <GaBerkowitz> i'm one of 2 sr's in my chapter
[21:45] <BTAYQueen212> yeah
[21:45] <Beckaroni> we have a HUGE abundance of juniors
[21:45] <GaBerkowitz> we mostly have jr's and soph
[21:45] <GaBerkowitz> but very few freshman
[21:45] <Beckaroni> acutally .. the whole region is like that
[21:45] <Jason_Lustig> yeah that's the same in my chapter
[21:45] <BTAYQueen212> my whole board is sophmores or juniors
[21:45] <BTAYQueen212> (im a sophmore)
[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> at elections last year 90% of the people were underclassmen
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[21:46] <GaBerkowitz> those of you with a lot of members signed up for this year, where have u gotten members from (i.e. public school, or hebrew school lists, graduated kadimanicks)
[21:46] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> heb school and kadima
[21:46] <BTAYQueen212> that overnight we had really pushed memebership...in one night we got liek 30 members
[21:47] <BTAYQueen212> last year we would have liek 5 people show up to an event, and this year tot he same event we could easily have 25
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> we just had an event, and only like 10 people came :(
[21:47] <Beckaroni> we've had everyone on board try to bring at least one new person to each program and so far that's been realyl sucessful
[21:47] <BTAYQueen212> awww
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[21:47] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we had a karaoke night with kadima and kadima katan
[21:47] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> it was a lot of fun
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> not even the whole board showed up -- which really bothred me
[21:48] <BTAYQueen212> tommorow nite is our convention prep and a lounge nite....yeah arvot!
[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> well what do you guys think about kadima-usy joint events?
[21:48] <Beckaroni> they've always been pretty sucessful here
[21:48] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> turnouts are better that way, but this year especially, the board is against them
[21:48] <GaBerkowitz> i think they're good, but u need the right usy'ers to do it
[21:48] <BTAYQueen212> honestly, i love kadima usy events..tehy just are so much more fun
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[21:49] <BTAYQueen212> i guess my usy and kadima are a lot closer than everyone elses
[21:49] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> they find kadima to be too immature and they ruin the meetings
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> some of the usyers don't like being with younger kids
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[21:49] <jon_rose> it makes no difference to my usyers
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> but the kadimaniks really look up at the usyers... if they see the usyers having a lot of fun at events then they'll really want to join usy when they get old enough
[21:50] <Beckaroni> I found that after usyers started staffing the youth shabbaton at our shul they were more interested in having joint programs
[21:50] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> most of the kadimaniscks dont like kadima, so we need them to get involved with us
[21:50] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> they like usy
[21:50] <GaBerkowitz> and usyers
[21:50] <GaBerkowitz> older kids in general
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[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> like i said, they look up to older kids
[21:50] <Beckaroni> i find that too
[21:50] <BTAYQueen212> i guess it could be a good thing for me, but everyone that is in my public school system follows everyone...thats how we got so many people for that overnight...so many people do what teh crowd does
[21:50] <GaBerkowitz> same here
[21:50] <BTAYQueen212> its good for usy, but bad for real life
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> well, if the crowd is doing the right thing then it is good ;)
[21:51] <BTAYQueen212> but people shoudl think for themselves in stea dof following the crowd
[21:51] <BTAYQueen212> even if it is good
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> that's not the point...
[21:52] <BTAYQueen212> i guess
[21:52] <Beckaroni> do any of you find that you have to compete with bbyo or any other organizations for members?
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> do you guys have a lot of communication going on between your kadima and usy chapters? or do they pretty much operate separately?
[21:52] <GaBerkowitz> how are your guys boards doing? do u guys get along, or is it that some people aren't carrying their load
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> lol
[21:52] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> the two advisores are married, so we have a lot of comm.
[21:52] <BTAYQueen212> i honestly dont even know where the bbyo near me is
[21:52] <BTAYQueen212> i compete with nfty tho...
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> bbyo around us is really big... but we don't really "compete" for members
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> there are more than enough jews around
[21:53] <GaBerkowitz> in boston we compete w/ nfty
[21:53] <GaBerkowitz> and tjcc
[21:53] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> nfty is a competition for me too
[21:53] <jon_rose> i have a big prob with bbyo
[21:53] <BTAYQueen212> my board is havign a few communication problems
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> i don't even see it as "competition"
[21:53] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> what?
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> there's no reason a person can't be a member of more than one youth group
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, why can't someone be active in usy and also bbyo?
[21:54] <jon_rose> it kinda monopolizes jewish youth where i am though
[21:54] <Beckaroni> I find though that a lot of people want to try usy but dont want to because their friends are already in bbyo
[21:54] <BTAYQueen212> nfty has this oneovernight that they go to laser tag the whoel nite...they have the same one like 3 times a year
[21:54] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> unfortunately, because nfty is more reformed, and most jews in my area are in marlboro, we have a problem
[21:54] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> most of the jews in my school are former usyers who thought it was too religious or nfty people
[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, a lot of people get turned off by the religious aspect
[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> unfortunately...
[21:54] <GaBerkowitz> my friends also think of usy as a cult?
[21:54] <GaBerkowitz> how did it get such a reputation
[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> who, peter?
[21:55] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> and my advisor wont do a joint thing with nfty because of the reformed thing
[21:55] <Beckaroni> i've heard people say that
[21:55] <jon_rose> cult? in what way?
[21:55] <GaBerkowitz> why though? how does such a thing start
[21:55] <BTAYQueen212> the closest nfty is sinai, so they call it snfty..everyoen always comes up to me and says "are you goign to snfty this weekend?" as if they dont know the answer...and they always impy that snfty is better than usy
[21:55] <GaBerkowitz> and., is it a bad thing
[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> well, i think it starts kinda because people see other people really involved in usy
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> and they see the religious aspect and get turned off by that, even though it's not something to be turned off by
[21:56] <GaBerkowitz> i hear that
[21:56] <GaBerkowitz> because people get so into it
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> and they think, it must be a cult or something like that...
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[21:56] <GaBerkowitz> people think it's a cult
[21:56] <BTAYQueen212> joint program with nfty...thats actually a pretty good idea...no more competition and good advertising
[21:56] <Beckaroni> when I've heard peopel refer to it as a cult they've used it mostly jokingly, but the whole, extreme dedication, pray together thing I think...
[21:56] <GaBerkowitz> you will run into so many problems w/ joint programs
[21:56] <BTAYQueen212> yeah sometimes people think its a cult...im guilty of that...
[21:57] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> jewish people think its too religious, but i know non-jews who say they wish their churches a usy type thing
[21:57] <Jason_Lustig> we tried to have a "jew dance" a couple of yaers ago
[21:57] <Jason_Lustig> it didn't work out so well
[21:57] <BTAYQueen212> if you think abotu it, every convention can be summed up as eat, sleep and pray
[21:57] <Jason_Lustig> it wouldn't work now especially with the dress code -- the other youth groups would have a hissy fit
[21:57] <Beckaroni> exactly
[21:57] <GaBerkowitz> the real problems in my opinion come up with kashrut (we keep it they dont) and davening
[21:58] <BTAYQueen212> oh i know...soem of my best friends wish thier churches had a cool youth group...if people thought usy was a cult they should see church groups
[21:58] <Jason_Lustig> i think it's more davening that people see and think, "ewww"
[21:58] <BTAYQueen212> exactly
[21:58] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> exactly
[21:58] <Jason_Lustig> which is why we should all make davening fun -- then people wouldn't be so turned off by it
[21:58] <Beckaroni> i'll have to take claim of having been like that
[21:58] <Beckaroni> until I started getting involved more
[21:58] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> i lost some members because of the washing handa and birkat
[21:58] <GaBerkowitz> r u serious?
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> washing hands isn't such a big deal
[21:59] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> we did a temple-wide spaghetti dinner which went well, but it seems that when birkat comes, people leave
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, it's actually good hygiene
[21:59] <BTAYQueen212> i love davening sometimes...liek in regular temple iw ill be doing usy motions or tunes and peopel around me will stare
[21:59] <JIH_AUSY_Hagalil> me too
[21:59] <BTAYQueen212> JIH...whats your name and are you going to post convention?
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> i absolutely love davening
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> the only problem is that if we get so involved with the praying, it makes it harder for others to get involved who haen't had as much experience
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[22:00] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> sry guys
[22:00] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> i'm back
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> but anyway...
[22:00] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> what was the ?
[22:01] <Jason_Lustig> we were talking about USY, the Cult
[22:01] <GaBerkowitz> so guys, hows stuff going with your chapter boards? do u get along with ur boar members
[22:01] <BTAYQueen212> i know...sometimes i feel like a bad jew if i dont know the amidah by heart
[22:02] <BTAYQueen212> my board memebers get kindof upset at me for the stupidest things...since im president i must be the expendible one,r ight?
[22:02] <Beckaroni> I'm with you on that one!
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> since you're the president, you're the example, the leader
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> so if you do something wrong then others get mad at you :(
[22:03] <Beckaroni> even when others are doing the wrong thing I feel responsible
[22:03] <GaBerkowitz> thats not good, they gotta realize u aren't perfect
[22:03] <BTAYQueen212> like one girl on board ranfull knowing she owuld be at swim practice for every meeting...shes on board but she gets mad at me b/c she cant go to comething
[22:03] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> my board gets along, except my sis is sato so siblings on the same board can be difficult at times
[22:03] <GaBerkowitz> like to high expectations of her?
[22:03] <Jason_Lustig> last year the prez and mem were siblings... the prez didn't do anything so the mem picked up all the slack
[22:03] <BTAYQueen212> alright guys, im leaving now so you can all jump for joy
[22:04] <Beckaroni> bye
[22:04] <BTAYQueen212> bye
[22:04] <Jason_Lustig> bbye
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[22:04] <GaBerkowitz> jump
[22:04] <Beckaroni> i'm having a few problems, with lack of commitment, and my iavp resigned last week
[22:04] <Beckaroni> but those that are there are working really hard
[22:04] <Jason_Lustig> are you going ot find someone, or are you just going to pick up for them?
[22:04] <Beckaroni> we're replacing him
[22:05] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> have another election?
[22:05] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> or appointing?
[22:05] <Beckaroni> we've already had general board members offer to take on the position
[22:05] <Beckaroni> it's likely going to be by appointment
[22:05] <GaBerkowitz> thats better
[22:05] <GaBerkowitz> by appointment is the way to do it
[22:06] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> at this point, yeah
[22:06] <Beckaroni> is anyone else here from canada?
[22:06] <Michael_Ferman> yes!
[22:07] <Michael_Ferman> Toronto, Ontario
[22:07] <Jason_Lustig> i'm from, like, 5 minutes across the border
[22:07] <Beckaroni> how's the price exchange affecting you guys?
[22:07] <Jason_Lustig> price exchange?
[22:07] <Beckaroni> like are your members finding things like international convention too expensive?
[22:07] <Michael_Ferman> it's up & down...
[22:07] <jon_rose> o man, toronto and buffalo, anyone ever goto ramah canada?
[22:07] <GaBerkowitz> ???
[22:07] <Jason_Lustig> yeah me!
[22:08] <Michael_Ferman> I'm sure all of you in the US like shopping in Canada
[22:08] <GaBerkowitz> how do we end up talking about price exchange in a usy lanasi chat
[22:08] <Michael_Ferman> :)
[22:08] <Jason_Lustig> well, let's see
[22:08] <jon_rose> jus got done with Alonim
[22:08] <Jason_Lustig> IC costs like $900 + airfare for us
[22:08] <Beckaroni> becasue a lot of people in my chapter find it hard to go to things because of the price exchange
[22:08] <Jason_Lustig> so it's SUPER expensive
[22:08] <Michael_Ferman> so... the cost of programs... from what branches of synagogues could sponsor our event?
[22:09] <Jason_Lustig> so, there are like 2 people going from my chapter, including me... how can we raise money to help people go to conventions?
[22:09] <Michael_Ferman> Jon, where are you from?
[22:09] <jon_rose> miami, i used to live in rochester
[22:09] <GaBerkowitz> try going to ur rabbi
[22:09] <Jason_Lustig> you mean the discretionary fund?
[22:09] <GaBerkowitz> rabbis have money they can spend on whatever they want
[22:10] <GaBerkowitz> if u ask them, maybe they'll spend it on $$$$ for u to go to IC
[22:10] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> yeah, we're working on scholarships from rabbi, sisterhood, and youth commission
[22:10] <jon_rose> no they wont my dads a rabbi
[22:10] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> theres only like 2 of us going
[22:10] <jon_rose> rabbis use that for other stff
[22:10] <Michael_Ferman> Sisterhood, Brotherhood -- maybe do a program together... and they'll donate the proceeds
[22:11] <Jason_Lustig> maybe do a dinner for the whole shul on a friday night (before shabbos starts), and take donations as well as the money people have to pay for the food and stuff
[22:11] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> not a bad idea
[22:12] <Michael_Ferman> ...raise money (just like you do for Tikun Olam) and give a precentage towards towards IC
[22:12] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> g/g all
[22:12] <Jason_Lustig> car washes, bake sales, cards for jewish holidays, you name it -- anything to make money
[22:12] <jon_rose> cya
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[22:12] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> this has been a great chat and we should def do another one son
[22:12] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> *soon
[22:12] <JustinHirsch_AUSY_Hagalil> ttyl
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[22:12] <Jason_Lustig> bye
[22:14] <Beckaroni> i have to go noe...
[22:14] <Beckaroni> talk to you all later!
[22:14] <GaBerkowitz> by beckaroni
[22:14] <Michael_Ferman> bye Beck
[22:14] <Jason_Lustig> bye
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