Chat Archive: 9/30/2002

This chat was run on September 30, 2002 from 9 PM EST to 10:30 PM EST. The topic was: Modern Anti-Semitism

A note on the chat: The server went down in the middle of the chat -- very inconvenient, eh? So, we were only able to have the chat for about one hour... but we still had a really good discussion, which you can read here!

Session Start: Mon Sep 30 21:07:18 2002
Session Ident: #chatusy
[21:07] *** Now talking in #chatusy
[21:07] *** Topic is '"Modern" anti-semitism'
[21:07] *** Set by Jason_Lustig on Mon Sep 30 18:33:15
[21:07] <Jason> hi guys
[21:07] <Adam-ECRUSY> where u think u rfrom garsh
[21:07] <Jason> sorry im late
[21:07] <HagalilDancer> danielle
[21:07] <Jason> i just got back from some college stuff
[21:07] <garsh> adam...where is my school, and where is your's?
[21:07] <GeoffBICC> this is some turn out
[21:07] <GeoffBICC> haha
[21:07] <AUSY_Hagalil> i know more than one danielle
[21:07] *** Jason is now known as Jason_Lustig
[21:07] <HagalilDancer> abigador
[21:07] <SWUSYchick> where you from jason
[21:07] <AUSY_Hagalil> ok
[21:07] <Adam-ECRUSY> but where do u live tania
[21:08] <HagalilDancer> who r u?
[21:08] <AUSY_Hagalil> justin hirsch
[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> hello everyone
[21:08] <GeoffBICC> yo
[21:08] <Adam-ECRUSY> ha! i live 15 houses north
[21:08] <HagalilDancer> o
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[21:08] <garsh> but you go to school in richmond hill....hick boy
[21:08] <Adam-ECRUSY> whats ur point
[21:08] <garsh> mwaha
[21:08] <garsh> how's charho this year?
[21:09] <SWUSYchick> what grade is everyone in?
[21:09] *** Jason_Lustig sets mode: +m
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[21:09] <Jason_Lustig> i'm a senior
[21:09] <Adam-ECRUSY> 10
[21:09] <AviHagalil> junior
[21:09] <HagalilDancer> junior
[21:09] <garsh> grade 11.....not eleventh grade...not a junior....grade 11
[21:09] <HagalilDancer> avi- susie says hi
[21:09] <Jason_Lustig> ok so here's the deal
[21:10] <AviHagalil> tell her i say hi back
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[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> first, before we officially begin the chat, why doesn't everyone IM a few of their friends and invite them? the more people we have, the more interesting the chat will be! :D
[21:10] <SWUSYchick> okidokie!
[21:10] <garsh> no time to IM....figuring out my future
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> why doesn't everyone say their name and region?
[21:11] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> Jordan Stutz EPA
[21:11] <HagalilDancer> danielle - hagalil
[21:11] <garsh> we already did that, J...get w/ the program
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> ah I see
[21:11] <Jason_Lustig> good deal
[21:11] <garsh> haha....but I'm on your flight :-)
[21:12] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> not when i was here garsh, jesus
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[21:12] <garsh> sorry jordan
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> so anyway...
[21:12] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> got disconnected, whats up
[21:12] <garsh> who here's from tzafon?
[21:12] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> too many hagaliliains
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> me
[21:12] <garsh> other than you
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[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> do you guys think that anti-semitism exists in north america? or is it non-existant, at this time?
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[21:13] <AviHagalil> and i though i would be the only hagaliler
[21:13] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> hagalil is the best, but anyway...
[21:13] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> yes, there is antisemitism
[21:13] <wwjd> SEABOARD
[21:13] <HagalilDancer> yea hagalil!
[21:13] <wwjd> yay!!!!
[21:14] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> GO SEABOARD
[21:14] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> were ua t ecnampmetn wwjd?
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[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> i think that anti-semitism does exist in north america -- just not as widespread as it was back in the "old country"
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[21:15] <Adam-ECRUSY> i dont know how many if you saw the thing at oncordia university and that looked like antisemtitsim to me
[21:15] <garsh> look at what happened in montreal!
[21:15] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> it exists, just as widespread, but not as elaborate
[21:15] <garsh> adam...stop thinkin like me
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[21:15] <wwjd> adam- r u from montreal??
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> have you seen any instances of it? have you heard things that make you worry, or does everything seem to be going pretty well where you are?
[21:15] <garsh> t.o.baby!
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, consider the fact that we almost elected a jewish vice-president...
[21:16] <garsh> but you didn';t
[21:16] <AviHagalil> almost doesn't count
[21:16] <garsh> silly americans
[21:16] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> i go to school with at least one person that seems to have something against jews
[21:16] <AviHagalil> and that would have caused intense problems in the wake of all the terrorism in regards to israel so thank god we didn;t
[21:16] <HagalilDancer> me 2
[21:16] <garsh> everyone at my school loves jews!
[21:16] <AviHagalil> everyone in my school is jewish so i am not so usefull in this chat
[21:16] <Adam-ECRUSY> whats the long version of ur skewl garsh
[21:16] <wwjd> everyone at my public school is jewish... cept for the asians
[21:16] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> my school is very multi-racial, but theres always a few
[21:17] <HagalilDancer> there are a ton of hate groups in my school
[21:17] <garsh> community hebrew academy etc...
[21:17] <Jason_Lustig> there are a lot of non-jews at my school
[21:17] <garsh> adam..sha
[21:17] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> *a few antisametics
[21:17] <Jason_Lustig> in general they're pretty tolerant... but it's also really hard to tell what religion someone is if they aren't wearing something like a cross or a kippah.
[21:17] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> my school has little jews
[21:17] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> Kids that arent jesih always are gonan say "Wahts up Jew" and stuf flike that...i mean...they dont mean harm by it though
[21:17] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> its just liek us callign someone a pussy jokingly
[21:17] <wwjd> im from a rural town in western md... antisemitism and the klan run rampant
[21:17] <SWUSYchick> some of my non jewish friends thing that jews is as bad as saying the n word to a black person
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> why do you think it's like that?
[21:18] <garsh> I'm in the most multi-racial city in canada....we got a lot of shit here 2...
[21:18] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> but thats what we are, jes
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[21:18] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> jews
[21:18] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> i tried wearing a kipah...most people were accepting...but there were a few who after i stopped told me that they dont mind ME but hate the jew thing
[21:18] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> more or less
[21:18] <SWUSYchick> thats what i said
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> ok so then why do you guys think that people are like that?
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[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, what do people have against the jews? i think it's a LOT different than anything that was back in europe.
[21:19] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> in text book swe are labeled jews, as long as they dont insert stupid in front of it, or nethign liek that
[21:19] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> Kike is the equivelant to the N word
[21:19] <wwjd> i suppose
[21:20] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> some people think its cool to single out a group of people, and being that most of my school is non-jew and many are black...we are targeted
[21:20] <wwjd> but a jew never says to another jews "sup my kike"
[21:20] <Jason_Lustig> well, i don't think that "kike" is as widely-known a term as it seems...
[21:20] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> exactly
[21:20] <Jason_Lustig> i never had heard the term at all until a couple of years ago.
[21:20] <SWUSYchick> ive never heard of it before
[21:20] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> but in my school, if your jewish, ur labeled as being rich
[21:20] <wwjd> WORLD WIDE JEWISH DOMINATION!!!!!!
[21:21] <SWUSYchick> people think all jews are rich and cheap
[21:21] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> I guess im just lucky, in my school people ask abnout bveing jewish and they are intersted in it
[21:21] <garsh> I've had money thrown at me...
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[21:21] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> they dont think we're cheap, thats a lie
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[21:21] <wwjd> STU!!!
[21:21] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> Hi y'all
[21:21] <Jason_Lustig> i wish more people were like that, that they are interested in what jews believe in.
[21:21] <SWUSYchick> i'm jewish and mexican and people always ask me how that is possible
[21:21] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> many of my friends are interested in judaism, but not everyone
[21:21] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> who is WWJD?
[21:21] <garsh> I have jewish cousins in mexico
[21:21] <wwjd> superman
[21:22] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> webjava
[21:22] <SWUSYchick> wow really whats their names garsh?
[21:22] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> my friends are, but people who dont like me tend to relate me to judaism just because how much i like being jewish
[21:22] <garsh> borovoy....one of them's in OV7...
[21:22] <wwjd> Stu glazer is from allentown pa
[21:22] <SWUSYchick> WOW REALLY??
[21:22] <garsh> you've heard of him?
[21:22] <wwjd> YES!!!
[21:22] <SWUSYchick> i love ov7!!
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> so a lot of people don't like jews because they don't like you and you're jewish and so they associate that with all jews... is that basically what you're saying?
[21:22] <garsh> sweet deal
[21:23] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> more or less
[21:23] <wwjd> i dont like jason lustig
[21:23] <wwjd> hahah, juss kidding
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> thanks :)
[21:23] <SWUSYchick> get me an autograph!!! lol
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> so then how an we solve these types of problems?
[21:23] <garsh> um...I don't actually KNOW him...
[21:23] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> int'l anyone?
[21:23] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> until recently when they actually told me that they dont mind me, they mind me being jewish
[21:23] <Jordan_Stutz_AtownCommun> shit
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[21:23] <SWUSYchick> aww
[21:23] <wwjd> A JASON LUSTIG AUTOGRAPH!!!!!
[21:23] <garsh> sorry
[21:23] <wwjd> i want one!
[21:23] <SWUSYchick> its ok
[21:24] <garsh> lol
[21:24] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> but enough about my problems, is my school the only one with problems?
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[21:24] <wwjd> stu glaser.... how r u?
[21:24] <garsh> I can honestly say that my school has NO problems with anti-semitism!
[21:24] <Jason_Lustig> my school doesn't have many problems that i know of
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> then again like i've said it's VERY hard to tell at my school what religion someone is just by looking at them
[21:25] <wwjd> my school has racial issues.... jews dont seem to get envolved
[21:25] <garsh> you can tell at mine...
[21:25] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> wwjd: I'm very curious to know your identity
[21:25] <wwjd> im sure u r
[21:25] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> does anyone find that jewish teachers are harder on jews than the non-jewish ones?
[21:25] <SWUSYchick> at my school some people say theyre jewish to be "cool"
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> i really don't know which teachers at my school are jewish...
[21:26] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> oh
[21:26] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> "Jewish teachers" What are those? They don't exist at my school
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[21:26] <wwjd> i have a jewish teacher who hates jews
[21:26] <SWUSYchick> there are two jewish teachers at my school and one jew for jesus but ive never had them
[21:26] <garsh> most of my teachers are jews...
[21:26] <wwjd> brandeis turned him sour
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[21:27] <garsh> Hava! I love you!
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> some jewish teachers are harder on jews to show that they aren't being preferential
[21:27] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> for one convention, i needed to leave school early, and one of the secretaries (whose a member of my temple) wouldnt let me go...it was the non-jewish principal that let me go
[21:27] <wwjd> Stu Glazer made an EPA song
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[21:27] <wwjd> Glaser***
[21:28] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> with some teachers, i think they "aren't religious, so y should we"
[21:28] <SWUSYchick> maybe because the jewish people dont think conventions are a big deal to be excused from school
[21:28] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> could be
[21:28] <Jason_Lustig> but i don't think that that would make a difference, really
[21:28] <wwjd> lets talk about a good IA program????
[21:28] <swusyRon> i'm back!
[21:29] <swusyRon> wow...there's like nobody here
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> because if you have an excuse from a parent, then they should let you out of school early.
[21:29] <wwjd> an IA program would combat antisimitism
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> (yeah that's why you guys should be telling your friends to come! :D)
[21:29] <swusyRon> i did
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> only if it made non-jews aware
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> because unfortunately a lot of people are uneducateed about israel and think israel = jews
[21:30] <swusyRon> are we talking about getting out of school for conventions?
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[21:30] <garsh> yup
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> we're talking about different forms of anti-semitism
[21:30] <swusyRon> i have a problem with that?
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> do you guys think that not being able to get out of school for conventions is anti-semitism?
[21:30] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> except for the examples i gave, the majority of non-jews in my school want to know a lot about judasim
[21:30] <wwjd> yes
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> why?
[21:30] <swusyRon> i don't...but it still pisses me off
[21:30] <wwjd> its discrimination
[21:31] <swusyRon> my school is a performing arts high school
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[21:31] <wwjd> do they get off for catholic retreats
[21:31] <swusyRon> it is centered heavily around our art area
[21:31] <swusyRon> so...for our spring kallah...i also have our spring jazz festival then
[21:31] <swusyRon> i can't get out of it...
[21:31] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> i gtg do hw...great talkin to u all
[21:31] <swusyRon> so
[21:31] <emita72> hey art guy, do u live in fla?
[21:31] <SWUSYchick> youre not going to spring ron?!?!?
[21:32] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> see u at international
[21:32] <AUSYhirsch_Hagalil> bye
[21:32] <emita72> cuz if u do i might know somone at ur school....
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[21:32] <swusyRon> i'm missing a spring kallah that i'm planning
[21:32] <swusyRon> no
[21:32] <emita72> oh ok
[21:32] <swusyRon> i'm in houston tx
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[21:32] <SWUSYchick> noooo you cant!!!
[21:32] <iampalestine> hey room
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> hi palestine
[21:32] <garsh> COMMIE!
[21:32] <swusyRon> i'm trying to get out of it
[21:32] <SWUSYchick> what a mean screename
[21:32] <swusyRon> but i don't think i can
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> no that's his name
[21:32] <wwjd> i herd Hagalil swallowed up two USYers last year?
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> danny palestine
[21:32] <iampalestine> hey hey
[21:32] <iampalestine> hagalil is the besty
[21:32] <SWUSYchick> oh whoa
[21:32] <SWUSYchick> really
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> ok guys so let's get back to the topic
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[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> do you think that what is going on is europe (france, etc) is affecting the climate (not the weather) here in the us/canada?
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[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> (you can talk now :D)
[21:33] <SWUSYchick> yes
[21:34] <wwjd> CANADA.... i think there just in time for a contenental plate shift!
[21:34] <garsh> not nice
[21:34] <iampalestine> no i do'nt belive so..whats going on in france isn't what is effecting us here...it's not a strong enough dillemma..people are still coping wiht 9-11..its just not up in everybodies face..du u get what i'm saying?
[21:34] <garsh> I like canada....they're swell
[21:34] <wwjd> ur from canada
[21:34] <swusyRon> later..gotta go
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[21:34] <garsh> indeed I am
[21:34] <iampalestine> later
[21:34] <wwjd> ah ha!
[21:34] <garsh> ha ah?
[21:34] <Jason_Lustig> well is 9-11 affecting the amount/intensity of anti-semetic feeling because people tie 9-11 in with israel?
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[21:34] <iampalestine> jason..how come there's only a few people here?
[21:35] <wwjd> someone objects to canada falling off the face of the earth!
[21:35] <garsh> that I do!
[21:35] <wwjd> blastfammy
[21:35] <garsh> sorry man
[21:35] <iampalestine> who is wwjd?
[21:35] <wwjd> superman
[21:35] <garsh> we've been tryin to figure that out for a while, commie
[21:36] * Stu_Glaser_EPA slaps wwjd around a bit with a large trout
[21:36] <iampalestine> superman from what region?
[21:36] <iampalestine> haha
[21:36] <iampalestine> stu? did we meet?
[21:36] <wwjd> lol
[21:36] <iampalestine> where u @ fall board weekend?
[21:36] <garsh> stu, how'd you do that?
[21:36] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> you might say we slept together
[21:36] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> magic
[21:36] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> yup
[21:36] <garsh> magic, eh?
[21:36] <iampalestine> hey stu!!!
[21:36] <iampalestine> wuts up bro?
[21:36] <wwjd> hey stu... keep the fish slapping in the bedroom
[21:36] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> Trout. Other than that, not a huge amount. How's it going in NJ?
[21:36] <iampalestine> haha
[21:37] <garsh> lol wwjd...
[21:37] <wwjd> stu, hows allentown???
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[21:37] <wwjdWhatWouldJewDo> this is sooo much better
[21:37] <iampalestine> nj is rockin as alwasy...i mean..its hagalil..how do u think it is? amazing!!
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[21:37] <garsh> and just like that, danny was gone...
[21:38] <SWUSYchick> how does everyone know each other
[21:38] <SWUSYchick> are yall in the same region?
[21:38] <wwjdWhatWouldJewDo> (jonson slap himself around with trout while dealing with his failed chat room)
[21:38] <garsh> I know danny cause he's cool...
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> so anyway
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> i think we need some more people...
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> i just sent out an email
[21:38] <SWUSYchick> ill give you some screenames you can IM they dont listen to me
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[21:39] <wwjdDovFriedman> much better
[21:39] <garsh> JASON, message from palestine....he says your chat is messed up
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> oh so it's dov...
[21:39] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> you can't be serious
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> what?
[21:39] <wwjdDovFriedman> no
[21:39] <SWUSYchick> kmark2
[21:39] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> Dov
[21:39] <wwjdDovFriedman> its not dov
[21:39] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> I didn't think so
[21:39] <wwjdDovFriedman> stu.... this should give it away
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[21:39] <SWUSYchick> trekflyer
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> hi guys
[21:39] <wwjdDovFriedman> hows benji doin??
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[21:40] <CommDown> Now this looks like a kickin' chat!...how bout that antisemetism?
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[21:40] <garsh> who's ecrusy?
[21:40] <iampalestine> ahh im' back
[21:40] <iampalestine> what did i miss?
[21:40] <iampalestine> jason..ur chatroom is messed up
[21:40] <garsh> nuthin, danny
[21:40] <SWUSYchick> whos commdown?
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[21:41] <WWJDiLoveCoach> i love coach
[21:41] <CommDown> CommDown...it's a kneeslapper
[21:41] <iampalestine> def
[21:41] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> I really don't get that COACH thing
[21:41] <iampalestine> comm..where are u from? a
[21:41] <iampalestine> *i'm a comm vp too
[21:42] <Jason_Lustig> so danny
[21:42] <garsh> ya commie!
[21:42] <WWJDiLoveCoach> brain sertin
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[21:42] <WWJDiLoveCoach> the food dude
[21:42] <CommDown> h*a*n*e*f*e*s*h
[21:42] <RAGEDBUL> im just plain lost
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[21:42] <Jason_Lustig> so, how do you guys identify "anti-semitism"?
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[21:42] <WWJDiLoveCoach> we suspeneded his ben on top the cabin
[21:42] <WWJDiLoveCoach> bed**
[21:43] <lil> where encampment?
[21:43] <WWJDiLoveCoach> yea
[21:43] <lil> in bunk 7 right/
[21:43] <WWJDiLoveCoach> yeaaaaa!!!!
[21:43] <WWJDiLoveCoach> twas good fun
[21:43] <lil> that was so funny
[21:43] <WWJDiLoveCoach> he was soooo pissed
[21:43] <lil> wut ddi ur counselor say?
[21:43] <WWJDiLoveCoach> he flipped
[21:43] <iampalestine> anti semitism is a form of hatred specifically toward jews...but it can be to others as well...but it can'te be defined because it comes in so many forms
[21:44] <WWJDiLoveCoach> he ran away to have "time alone"
[21:44] <lil> thats hilarious how didi they get it up there?
[21:44] <WWJDiLoveCoach> tape
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[21:44] <Jason_Lustig> i think anti-semitism is any kind of negative discrimination (there CAN be positive discrimination) against a jew, for being a jew (and not something else)
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[21:44] <iampalestine> i agree jason
[21:44] <SWUSYchick> positive discrimination as in how?
[21:44] <RAGEDBUL> i a gree
[21:45] <CommDown> what do you mean, positive discrimination?
[21:45] <lil> howd they get it down i got out before they did
[21:45] <SWUSYchick> do you mean the "all jews are rich?"
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[21:45] <Jason_Lustig> people can discriminate in a positive way
[21:45] <RAGEDBUL> that is more mor jealousy
[21:45] <RAGEDBUL> they can say you are so smart because u are jewish i guess
[21:45] <WWJDiLoveCoach> they made my bunk take it down
[21:45] <Jason_Lustig> "discrimination" basically means "telling apart" -- noticing that people ARE different
[21:45] <lil> u get in trouble
[21:46] <iampalestine> that id on't agree with..the positive descrimination bit..its an oxymoron..it doens't make snese
[21:46] <SWUSYchick> would you take "you have a jewish nose" as a positive or negative discrimination?
[21:46] <garsh> negative...I hate my nose
[21:46] <CommDown> negative
[21:46] <iampalestine> lol
[21:46] <iampalestine> totally off topic
[21:46] <garsh> danny...shh
[21:46] <lil> neither i dont have jewish nose i was blessed
[21:46] <RAGEDBUL> depends on if the person thinks a jewish nose is cute
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[21:46] <iampalestine> that's great lil
[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> so is the "jewish nose" stereotype a bad thing?
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[21:46] <CommDown> discrimination sets people apart from others, making them feel different
[21:47] <SWUSYchick> well ive seen non jews have jewish noses
[21:47] <RAGEDBUL> its bad because is seperate you from the group and excludes you
[21:47] <WWJDiLoveCoach> no, i love jewish noses
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[21:47] <WWJDiLoveCoach> dont get nose jobs!
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> but people ARE different, that's what's great about people! if everyone was the same then it'd be really boring...
[21:47] <garsh> then you'd love my nose, wjd
[21:47] <WWJDiLoveCoach> the ruine our cultural identity
[21:47] <RAGEDBUL> hehe
[21:47] <SWUSYchick> i dont have a jewish nose either
[21:47] <lil> high five
[21:48] <WWJDiLoveCoach> i dont... but i like being able to eaisly tell whos "kosher"
[21:48] <iampalestine> this nose bit doesn't have to do with anything..so lets got of that topic
[21:48] <garsh> commie wishes he had a jewish nose
[21:48] <SWUSYchick> would you consider "jews are cheap" positive or negative?
[21:48] <WWJDiLoveCoach> yea it does
[21:48] <RAGEDBUL> both
[21:48] <WWJDiLoveCoach> the positive of sterotypes!
[21:48] <iampalestine> negative
[21:48] <lil> it does no ones ever made fun of ur jewish nose i've heard jokes baout jewish noses
[21:49] <WWJDiLoveCoach> positive
[21:49] <WWJDiLoveCoach> gives us controll of the banking sector
[21:49] <SWUSYchick> why positive?
[21:49] <iampalestine> there are no such things as positive sterotypes..stereotypes are negative!
[21:49] <WWJDiLoveCoach> no
[21:49] <WWJDiLoveCoach> ur a pesimist
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> i think that the "jews are cheap" idea came from when most jews were immigrants, and all of the immigrants (whether they were jewish or chinese or whatnot) were "cheap" because they had to save money
[21:49] <garsh> not if it's 'all canadians are hot'....that's positive!
[21:49] <RAGEDBUL> no a sterotype is a predecision
[21:49] <SWUSYchick> jason lustig said there's a such thing as a positive stereotype
[21:49] <WWJDiLoveCoach> lighten up everyone!
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[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> that's my personal opinion, not what everyone has to believe...
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[21:49] <RAGEDBUL> also with Catholic law prohibiting them to charge intrest on loans
[21:49] <SWUSYchick> i think that too jason
[21:49] <RAGEDBUL> jews became all the banker
[21:49] <RAGEDBUL> s
[21:49] <iampalestine> wwjd..i've never heard a positive stereotype..its not that im pestimistic..which im' not...its just that i believe that that's a fact
[21:50] <RAGEDBUL> and thne hte catholics became resentful
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[21:50] <WWJDiLoveCoach> wait wait wait!!!!!!!!!! i hear banging during birkat.... antisemitism
[21:50] <lil> ye that was so messe dup at encamoment
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[21:50] <iampalestine> explain wwjd
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[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, go into that and tell us how it works ;)
[21:50] <lil> let us bang til our hands bleed its all in good fun
[21:51] <iampalestine> u there?
[21:51] <WWJDiLoveCoach> u no the sinfeld episode where uncle leo says everything negitive is result to antisemitism
[21:51] <WWJDiLoveCoach> its soooo true!
[21:51] <SWUSYchick> nooo
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[21:51] <SWUSYchick> i dunno what youre talkin about
[21:51] <iampalestine> ur basing banging during birkat on a episode of a sitcom?
[21:51] <iampalestine> ur make no sense
[21:51] <iampalestine> *u
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> yeah that really doesn't make any sense...
[21:51] <WWJDiLoveCoach> makes perfect sence
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[21:51] <RAGEDBUL> cause seinfeild is so religious anyway
[21:52] <iampalestine> no it doestn'! it has no relation to the other!!
[21:52] <SWUSYchick> no its not
[21:52] <WWJDiLoveCoach> look at sterotypes on tv... everytime some secular jew sees it, he/she has something to relate to.. so for those few seconds, they are jewish
[21:52] <iampalestine> and for that alone..its negative
[21:52] <RAGEDBUL> Question which is worse a jew making an jew-joke or a non jew making a jew joke?
[21:52] <lil> ye jews get offended easily
[21:53] <SWUSYchick> a non jew making a jew joke
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> Well, are those jews that people see on TV the type of people we want people to associate with all jews?
[21:53] <RAGEDBUL> no
[21:53] <iampalestine> it shoudn't relate at all! it should just be a regular show..stand up comics to it all the time and i don't agree
[21:53] <SWUSYchick> its like black people calling each other the n word only they can say it
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> often when people see jews (whether it's an actor or character) on tv, they tend to think that all jews are like that
[21:53] <garsh> fo shizzle?
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[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> it promotes some sort of stereotype...
[21:53] <SWUSYchick> and its considered bad when a white person says it
[21:53] <WWJDiLoveCoach> i hate it when my non jewish english teacher says "schtick"
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[21:53] <RAGEDBUL> for being less than 1% of the population we are often talked about inthe media
[21:53] <CommDown> I think that modern anti-semetism has to do with how Jews are portrayed to secular society...cheap, big nose, the dark curly hair. yes, some of it may be true, but not about every jew
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[21:54] <iampalestine> exactly! so ur agreeing! u don't like it when someobdy uses it!
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[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> i don't like how the media portrays jews.
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[21:54] <iampalestine> same here
[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> reason being that NOT ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME
[21:54] <SWUSYchick> me neither
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[21:54] <RAGEDBUL> no- more modern would be that they take all the high jobs like lawyers and bankers and doctors
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[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> we have just as many differences as all different kinds of protestants and catholics and christians
[21:54] <lil> its liek a black person callign another black persona N**ger like a jew making a jew joke its ok to them but no one else theres only anti semitism if u make it if u doint let hting sbother u then it wont hurt u
[21:54] <iampalestine> o agree jason
[21:54] <WWJDiLoveCoach> i think we should b happy that the media even talks about jews
[21:54] <RAGEDBUL> media is not a jew's friend they are trying to appeal to the general public
[21:54] <SWUSYchick> people always ask me abou those curly thingies in front of the men's ears
[21:54] <Gregg`Roman> 4HELLO!
[21:54] <iampalestine> *i
[21:54] <iampalestine> hello
[21:55] <garsh> bonjour
[21:55] <WWJDiLoveCoach> jews controll the media
[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[21:55] <garsh> comment ca va?
[21:55] <WWJDiLoveCoach> hahahah i wish
[21:55] <RAGEDBUL> eh but
[21:55] <RAGEDBUL> its for the enjoyemtn of the gouyam
[21:55] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> hey!
[21:55] <AndyFriedson> I'm only here for a second, but I have an encouraging story if people want to hear it
[21:55] <WWJDiLoveCoach> thats why jews stick to controlling the money
[21:55] <iampalestine> not at all wwjd...have u ever watched cnn or any other major news station?!?
[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> i was going to say that considering that the rumor among many anti-semites is that "jews control the media", the fact that the media is so anti-israel is kinda surprising...
[21:55] <iampalestine> exactly..that's what i said
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[21:55] <AndyFriedson> A member of my region plays on a soccer team at his public school
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[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> oh
[21:55] <cristi23> hello
[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> who?
[21:56] <RAGEDBUL> sorry guys i have to go
[21:56] <WWJDiLoveCoach> Jay Fiedler is jewish!!!!!!!
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> so andy
[21:56] <RAGEDBUL> good chatr though
[21:56] <iampalestine> andy..does this relate at all?
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
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[21:56] <AndyFriedson> at a game last week we was insulted by a player on the other team, he kept saying things about the holocaust being a hoazx and all
[21:56] <AndyFriedson> yes
[21:56] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> keep going andy...
[21:56] <WWJDiLoveCoach> yes well someone told me that 2
[21:56] <emily> is anyone going to israel this summer?
[21:56] <iampalestine> ok..yes..that's a myth that some idiots like to believe..
[21:56] <AndyFriedson> his team (all non jews) went apeshit
[21:56] <garsh> emily, I am!
[21:56] <SWUSYchick> i wanna go on wheels this summer
[21:57] <WWJDiLoveCoach> and i said september 11 didnt happen either..... shut him up quick
[21:57] <lil> i am goin
[21:57] <Debbie-Pinwheel> go them
[21:57] <Gregg`Roman> He's allowed to say that.
[21:57] <AndyFriedson> people from his school are at their next game against that team actually right now
[21:57] <emily> are you guys going on a trip? which one?
[21:57] <Gregg`Roman> You just have to make sure he doesn't say it again.
[21:57] <Gregg`Roman> :)
[21:57] <garsh> poland!
[21:57] <iampalestine> i'm going i think on poland/israel
[21:57] <AndyFriedson> they all brought israeli flags and stuff
[21:57] <WWJDiLoveCoach> SIC!!!!!
[21:57] <Debbie-Pinwheel> i think that would be so fun!
[21:57] <Jason_Lustig> i think that you aught to tell him to PROVE that the holocaust didn't happen, because it DID -- there's just so much evidence that it did happen
[21:57] <garsh> ya...danny...you're comin on poland!
[21:57] <iampalestine> def
[21:57] <Debbie-Pinwheel> wow-thats awesome andy!
[21:57] <iampalestine> i think so..i'm not sure
[21:57] <lil> there sonl anti semitism where people make it dont get offended so easiky
[21:58] <emily> can you go if you graduate this year?
[21:58] <iampalestine> true jason
[21:58] <iampalestine> no
[21:58] <SWUSYchick> yes emily
[21:58] <Debbie-Pinwheel> sorry i couldnt be here very long, but GO PINWHEEL! :) Have a nice rest of the chat guys...
[21:58] <AndyFriedson> it happened at albany high, robyn avellino told me about it today
[21:58] <emily> cool
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[21:58] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> well i've got to go, nice to "speak" to you all
[21:58] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> tyl
[21:58] <WWJDiLoveCoach> okay.... this has gotten too off topic for me
[21:58] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> bye
[21:58] <WWJDiLoveCoach> im out!
[21:58] <iampalestine> later rach
[21:58] <garsh> WWJD, WHO ARE YOU?
[21:58] <AndyFriedson> i just wanted to share that
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[21:58] <RachelCase_MemProg_Tzafon> whos' iampalestine???
[21:58] <Jason_Lustig> so i have a question for you
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[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> do people around at school know that you're a jew?
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[21:59] <lil> las modnay was birthdya i'm out i want more of my cake ttyl
[21:59] <garsh> everyone at my school knows I'm a jew!
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> the reason i ask is because sometimes people will say things around you that they obviously wouldn't have if they knew you were jewish
[21:59] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> YES!
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[21:59] <iampalestine> yea they do..i'm hte "jew boy" at my school
[21:59] <lil> i ahve joke with a firend of mine at skewl i cal him "joe the jew"
[22:00] <WWJDiLoveCoach> my nickname at school is "token jew"
[22:00] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> "Stu the Jew"
[22:00] <lil> no one cares because if no one makes an issue then no one cares
[22:00] <garsh> "Tania"
[22:00] <Gregg`Roman> I'm just Gregg
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> i'm just jason
[22:00] <Gregg`Roman> Cause if anyone calls me Jew boy
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> but that's not the point
[22:00] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> Hi just Gregg and Just Jason
[22:00] <SWUSYchick> my english teacher last year didnt know i was jewish and she read a jewish story with words in hebrew and yidish and she said them wrong and she was tellin everyone wrong info like she knew what she was talking about
[22:00] <Gregg`Roman> I make sure they don't call me that again.
[22:00] <iampalestine> stu ur the man!
[22:00] <lil> ha ur th e token jew thats wack blang blang mazel tov
[22:00] <CommDown> do you think being jewish and known as a jew has an affect on the way you are treated?
[22:00] <WWJDiLoveCoach> stu is the man
[22:00] <garsh> no...palestine's the man!
[22:01] <Gregg`Roman> I'm very, let's say, defensive, towards my beliefs
[22:01] <Gregg`Roman> and my values
[22:01] <iampalestine> my frosh english teacher was an anti-semite..she thought that our g-d was evil and unforgiving and had a full out argument about it.
[22:01] <Gregg`Roman> Basically, I don't take crap
[22:01] <SWUSYchick> i dont think people treat me different when they know im jewish they just ask me questions about it
[22:01] <iampalestine> same here
[22:01] <Jason_Lustig> it's sometimes bad in history class, because when you get into discussions about stuff then the jews can come up...
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[22:01] <Gregg`Roman> I'm in a situation however, where I can do that.
[22:02] <Stu_Glaser_EPA> I'm out. It's been fun everyone. Cya at International (or perhaps somewhere else)!
[22:02] <Gregg`Roman> I have many friends who aren't jewish that will back me up, plus I try to be respectable.
[22:02] <SWUSYchick> has a teacher ever singled you out for being jewish?
[22:02] <WWJDiLoveCoach> lets talk about stu glaser.....
[22:02] <iampalestine> late stu..we'll talk soon
[22:02] <Gregg`Roman> It's the people who are the only jew in their school, that I worry about.
[22:02] <Gregg`Roman> What can we do for them?
[22:02] <WWJDiLoveCoach> cya stu
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> the thing about the jews at my school is that almost none of them are observant -- i'm the most observant jew at schol
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[22:02] <WWJDiLoveCoach> good bye dearest usy..... i love u
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> so it's almost like being the only jew...
[22:03] <Gregg`Roman> No it's not.
[22:03] <garsh> I KNOW WHO WWJD IS!! wahoo!
[22:03] <Jason_Lustig> *almost*, not that it is
[22:03] <iampalestine> same here jason..we have about a 75% jewish population...but none are observant
[22:03] <Gregg`Roman> Everyone who is jewish, is jewish along with you.
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[22:03] <Gregg`Roman> If you are persecuted or insulted, they will defend you.
[22:03] <iampalestine> very good greg
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[22:04] <Gregg`Roman> If they don't, they have a problem.
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