Chat Archive: 4/18/2002

This chat was run on April 18, 2002 from 9 PM EST to 11 PM EST. The topic was: How can we, as North American Jews, help Israel?

Session Start: Thu Apr 18 19:29:36 2002
Session Ident: #usychat
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[19:29] *** Set by Jason_Lustig on Thu Apr 04 14:31:14
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[19:30] <Jason_Lustig> hi
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[20:19] <Fruitacity> hi
[20:19] <Jason_Lustig> hi
[20:19] <Jason_Lustig> who's this?
[20:20] <Fruitacity> me i'm matt fruithandler from metny you are
[20:20] <Jason_Lustig> hi matt, i'm jason lustig
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[20:20] <Jason_Lustig> i'm from tzafon
[20:20] <Jason_Lustig> which part of metny?
[20:20] <dmgoldber> Hey guys, my name is David Goldberg, I'm from ECRUSY
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[20:21] <Fruitacity> koach
[20:22] <Jason_Lustig> which part of ny is that? i always get the metny divisions confused...
[20:22] <Fruitacity> westchester
[20:23] <Fruitacity> rockaland
[20:23] <Fruitacity> orange
[20:23] <Jason_Lustig> oh that's cool, i know a lot of people there
[20:23] <Fruitacity> putnam and part of conecticut
[20:23] <Fruitacity> like who do u know
[20:23] <Jason_Lustig> do you know aaron weininger?
[20:24] <Fruitacity> yeah
[20:24] <Fruitacity> do u know an omri
[20:24] <Jason_Lustig> omri levin?
[20:24] <Fruitacity> thats the one
[20:24] <Jason_Lustig> from rochester? yup, i know him
[20:25] <Fruitacity> he was on my wheels bus hes so cool
[20:25] <Jason_Lustig> yeah he is pretty cool
[20:25] <Jason_Lustig> you were on wheels two years ago?
[20:25] <Fruitacity> do you know a liz brenner
[20:26] <Jason_Lustig> yeah yeah
[20:27] <Fruitacity> she was also on my wheels bus
[20:27] <Jason_Lustig> that's cool
[20:27] <Jason_Lustig> were you on pilgrimage last summer?
[20:28] <Fruitacity> no wheels
[20:28] <Fruitacity> i was gonna go this year
[20:30] <Jason_Lustig> are you going to go?
[20:31] <Fruitacity> no
[20:31] <Fruitacity> my parents who are very pro israel say it is to dangerous
[20:32] <Fruitacity> i argued for weeks
[20:32] <Jason_Lustig> that sucks
[20:34] <Fruitacity> yeah
[20:35] <Jason_Lustig> ok well the chat should start in about 15 mins we've just got to wait for some more people to show up...
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[20:35] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hey goldberg
[20:35] <Robbie_Paskowitz> this starting at 9?
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[20:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> k, i thought maybe no one showed up
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> no, give it a few minutes
[20:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> i get it
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> and then we'll have some more peole, i hope
[20:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> i just was not sure of start time
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[20:36] <dmgoldber> how you doin Paskie?
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> they all start at 9
[20:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> good good, just got home from regional office
[20:37] <Fruitacity> hi
[20:37] <dmgoldber> good stuff... if you guys want to have discussion about Israel or anything else, please feel free to do so before the chat "technically" begins
[20:38] <Fruitacity> k
[20:38] <Robbie_Paskowitz> so, howe bout those leafs :)
[20:38] <Jason_Lustig> well, the sabres suck
[20:39] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hehe
[20:39] <Jason_Lustig> we couldn't even get into the playoffs this year
[20:39] <dmgoldber> yeah... and the raptors got in the playoffs too!
[20:40] <Robbie_Paskowitz> did they ever have a stange last few weeks!
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[20:40] <dmgoldber> hey sowalsky
[20:40] <Jason_Lustig> hey
[20:40] <emily_sowalsky> hi guys
[20:40] <dmgoldber> hows Gilad doin?
[20:41] <dmgoldber> lol
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[20:41] <dmgoldber> ok, sure... I saw Gilad the other day... no I didnt
[20:42] <Jason_Lustig> hi jill
[20:42] <Robbie_Paskowitz> goldberg, you having conversation with self again?
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[20:43] <dmgoldber> haha... no I'm not! He's actually my hero
[20:44] <dmgoldber> did you have fun?
[20:45] <dmgoldber> awesp,e!
[20:45] <Jason_Lustig> goldberg...
[20:46] <emily_sowalsky> hehehe
[20:46] <dmgoldber> yeah
[20:46] <emily_sowalsky> dont tell him, i'm too amused
[20:46] <Robbie_Paskowitz> careful with the private msgs goldberg
[20:46] <dmgoldber> Let's get this show on the road, and then people will slowly trickle their way in
[20:46] <Robbie_Paskowitz> we do not see what emily is sayin
[20:46] <Jason_Lustig> what rob said
[20:46] <Jason_Lustig> and also what goldberg said
[20:46] <dmgoldber> first, I apologize for the lack of personal messages
[20:46] <emily_sowalsky> people do not trickle
[20:47] <Jason_Lustig> people FLOOD!
[20:47] <Robbie_Paskowitz> yha, urine triclkes
[20:47] <emily_sowalsky> thanks robbie
[20:47] <dmgoldber> second, the topic is "What can we, as North American Jewish teens, do now to support Israel?"
[20:47] <dmgoldber> what do you guys think that we can all do to support Israel now
[20:47] <Robbie_Paskowitz> i thinbk showing support at rallies is important
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[20:48] <Robbie_Paskowitz> israel needs to see we are behoid them
[20:48] <Jason_Lustig> well do they actually see what's going on?
[20:48] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, yeah they see the big rallies like what happened in washington
[20:49] <Jason_Lustig> but local stuff, do they hear about that?
[20:49] <dave_f> hey
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[20:49] <dave_f> thats why there are big rallies
[20:49] <dave_f> we have to have big big rallies
[20:50] <dave_f> Hey stag
[20:50] <dmgoldber> but what about in between big rallies... after all, we can't have them every week
[20:50] <dave_f> May 5th
[20:50] <dave_f> Israel Day parade sure to be HUGE
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[20:50] <dmgoldber> how can we show Israel our constant support?
[20:50] <dave_f> in NYC
[20:50] <dave_f> well ...
[20:50] <dave_f> adopt a soldier
[20:50] <dave_f> call your local UJF office they usualyl can give u info on adopting a soldier
[20:51] <dave_f> a platoon
[20:51] <dave_f> evgen
[20:51] <dave_f> this is dave farber
[20:51] <dmgoldber> isn't staying informed on what's going on another way of supporting Israel?
[20:51] <dave_f> very much so ... but u satying informed urself doesnt help much explai nto other ppl about israel
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[20:51] <michelledebra> Plus supporting local things like rallies and financial Israel campaigns
[20:52] <dave_f> a kid i nschool says palestinians are just freedom fighters well then tell him why they aren't ..
[20:52] <Jason_Lustig> well besides just staying informed yourself, you should get others informed
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[20:52] <dmgoldber> By being active, we can intelligently and politel inform peopel of what is going on... but the big things like rallies and financial campaigns are hugely important too
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[20:53] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Hey all!
[20:53] <dave_f> The thingis though we give alot to charity ... and thats great
[20:53] <emily_sowalsky> is there a canadian rally tonight?
[20:53] <Jason_Lustig> yeah i think so
[20:53] <Robbie_Paskowitz> there is on on sunday
[20:53] <dave_f> But th sentiment in ISrael is ... we don't need u to give us charity we need u to buy our prodcts
[20:53] <Robbie_Paskowitz> in ottawa
[20:53] <dave_f> invest your money in our business
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[20:53] <michelledebra> So maybe we need to push a special effort towards buying Israeli goods
[20:53] <dmgoldber> yeah, busness, but also charities like buying ambulances fo rMagen David Adom
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[20:54] <dave_f> Yea
[20:54] <Robbie_Paskowitz> and also just donating money to them
[20:54] <dave_f> yea but their economy is in shambles
[20:54] <dmgoldber> buying Israel bonds also helps the Israeli economy
[20:54] <Jason_Lustig> we should also support the government by buying israeli bonds
[20:54] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I'm doing as much in my community as I can
[20:54] <dave_f> we need to infuse their business by buying more goods
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[20:54] <dmgoldber> on those lines, go to www.israelshop.com to buy Israeli goods
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[20:55] <Robbie_Paskowitz> and ,we cannot stop goign to israel of course!
[20:55] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
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[20:55] <Jason_Lustig> by going to israel you support israel in many ways at once
[20:55] <dave_f> ye tourism is way down
[20:55] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Also, just going to rallies, writing to government officials, buying Israeli products, and educating others is helpful
[20:55] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> yeah
[20:55] <michelledebra> Does anybody have ideas of some specific small items that we can encourage our USY chapters to purchase from Israel?
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[20:56] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> buy kosher israeli food products from companies like Osem
[20:56] <dave_f> buy your chpater t-shirts from Israel stores
[20:56] <dmgoldber> every day items that are found in grocery stores... if they are produced in israel, then you should buy it!
[20:56] <dmgoldber> like Elite chocolate and other stuff
[20:56] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> bisli are. Right?
[20:56] <dmgoldber> bissli is Israeli too
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[20:56] <dave_f> BISLI!!
[20:56] <dave_f> i love it!
[20:56] <dave_f> BBQ bisli
[20:56] <dave_f> sour cream and onion bisli
[20:56] <Jason_Lustig> bisli are amazing
[20:56] <dmgoldber> also, I believe Fanta and Malt Star and other drinks are too
[20:56] <dave_f> regular bisli
[20:57] <michelledebraCHUSY> ew (sorry -- I love Israel, hate Bisli. :))
[20:57] <dave_f> i dunno ... i think fanta just sells in Israel ...
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[20:57] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> all of the coca cola products
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[20:57] <dmgoldber> I found Fanta in Ottawa last weekend
[20:57] <michelledebraCHUSY> Actually, we have Fanta at my school now
[20:57] <emily_sowalsky> we've got fanta in boston
[20:57] <dave_f> in NY too!
[20:57] <dmgoldber> they do sell it in some places in North America
[20:57] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Do you guys have any good Israel sites? I'mtrying to put together a web directory
[20:57] <jmo> me too i found fanta as well
[20:57] <michelledebraCHUSY> But it's very new in Chicagoland
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[20:57] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> never seen Fanta around my area, south of boston
[20:58] <JordanKileyCRUSY> www.israelunitycoalition.com is FABULOUS
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[20:58] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> go to like yahoo and search 'israel'
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[20:58] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> you should come up with something
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[20:58] <michelledebraCHUSY> I think somebody said this on the HeChalutzim listserv the other day, but incorporating Israel programming into all of our chapters in important.
[20:58] <Mo> hey guys
[20:58] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Columbus has a bit of Fanta
[20:59] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Thans Yair
[20:59] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> sure
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[20:59] <emily_sowalsky> for israel programming you can bring in israeli vendors
[20:59] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> list of all the products being boycotted in Israel- http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel.html
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[20:59] <michelledebraCHUSY> Emily -- what do you mean Israeli vendors?
[20:59] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> the one the only Tza'ir USY
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[21:00] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> we have two members
[21:00] <JordanKileyCRUSY> www.israelunitycoalition.com is one of my faves
[21:00] <emily_sowalsky> like the people who make the kippot that USYers wear.. postions, etc
[21:00] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Oh, yeah, ur in Youngstown!
[21:00] <emily_sowalsky> and safed candles
[21:00] <michelledebraCHUSY> Oh, that's a cool idea.
[21:00] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> but last week we spent about an hour coming up with membership ideas related to sato and IWA
[21:00] <Jason_Lustig> yes you can order from overseas, i believe, for the safed candles
[21:00] <emily_sowalsky> you can totally bring israel to gurney
[21:01] <michelledebraCHUSY> :)
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[21:01] <emily_sowalsky> is anyone here going to israel this summer?
[21:01] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I had a total flow of ideas in the middle of a test today
[21:01] <dmgoldber> yes, I'm going on Eastern Europe/Israel
[21:01] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> you can try increasing israel awareness in your shul
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[21:02] <JordanKileyCRUSY> My teacher called me up after and asked why I wrote about Israel on my test :)
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> ahahaha
[21:02] <michelledebraCHUSY> lol
[21:02] <dmgoldber> lol
[21:02] <emily_sowalsky> thats awesome
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[21:02] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> oy vey is mir
[21:02] <dmgoldber> you know you're an IA person when...
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> well a big thing that you can do is to support israel in discussions at your school
[21:02] <michelledebraCHUSY> Yeah, definitely.
[21:02] <Jeff_Bernstein> hi guys
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> when people are discussing israel, support israel
[21:03] <emily_sowalsky> do you guys find anti-israel propaganda in your schools?
[21:03] <JordanKileyCRUSY> You can have an Israeli teen night by getting Israeli teen mags, music, food etc. and putting it together
[21:03] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Yeah
[21:03] <michelledebraCHUSY> People at my school aren't aware that there are countries other than...northern illinois
[21:03] <JordanKileyCRUSY> LOL
[21:03] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i wear my Tzahal kippah to school every day except yesterday when i wore blue and white for yom ha'atzmaut
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[21:03] <JordanKileyCRUSY> My school is 30% Jewish
[21:03] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> a lot of times I'm the first Jewish person anyone at my school has ever meet..
[21:03] <Jason_Lustig> wow
[21:04] <michelledebraCHUSY> My school has about 25-30 of 3000
[21:04] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> mine has about 30 jewish kids
[21:04] <michelledebraCHUSY> My too,
[21:04] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> we have 3
[21:04] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> out of 1700 of course
[21:04] <Jason_Lustig> we have a fairly large jewish population at my school, maybe 15 - 20%
[21:04] <Jeff_Bernstein> mine has 1200 jews :)
[21:04] <JordanKileyCRUSY> 30% of 800 kids
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[21:04] <Jason_Lustig> but most of them aren't practicing jews
[21:04] <JordanKileyCRUSY> At our high school
[21:04] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Same
[21:04] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> my school has maybe... .2% jews
[21:04] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> out of like 2500
[21:04] <emily_sowalsky> is there a visible arab population
[21:04] <tans86> Robbie, I got it to work!
[21:04] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> there are two shomer shabos families at my shul
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[21:04] <michelledebraCHUSY> of our 25-30, I think 4 have both Jewish parents.
[21:04] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> mine and the rabbi's
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[21:05] <JordanKileyCRUSY> At my school, most are those kids who are observant in front of their parents, but eat pork the minute they get out
[21:05] <Eden> hi
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[21:05] <JordanKileyCRUSY> But, our USY chapter is one of the largest in our region
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[21:05] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> Jordan do you go to school with Aron
[21:05] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Yeah
[21:06] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i asume he doesn't
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[21:06] <JordanKileyCRUSY> No
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[21:06] <JordanKileyCRUSY> But most
[21:06] <JordanKileyCRUSY> do
[21:06] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Most are BBYOers
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[21:06] <Jeff_Bernstein> hey jer
[21:06] <Guest11227> r any metny people here?
[21:06] <tans86> jeff, stay on topic!
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[21:06] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> we have like 50 BBYOers in youngstown adn 2 USYers
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[21:07] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Wow
[21:07] <emily_sowalsky> I know that in my school, with a HUGE Jewish population, I'm often the only one defending Israel in class discussions
[21:07] <Guest11227> why dont we get on topic
[21:07] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Same
[21:07] <Jason_Lustig> ok so would you join the israeli army to support israel?
[21:07] <michelledebraCHUSY> So, about ISRAEL...
[21:07] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> sry
[21:07] <emily_sowalsky> how do you guys deal in you schools with only 30 Jews?
[21:07] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I would
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[21:07] <michelledebraCHUSY> Umm...learn to drive as soon as possible
[21:07] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> oh
[21:07] <Jeff_Bernstein> yes, i could never imagine myself out of the dayschool bubble.... it would be so hard to cope with things, in my opinion
[21:07] <Guest11227> i jsut make friends with whoever i can whether they r jewish or not but the people i hang out with outside of school are all really jewish
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[21:08] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Yeah
[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> well i don't go to dayschool, and i'm fine i think
[21:08] <Guest11227> i am fine also
[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, i think it's good to get to know people who aren't the same as you
[21:08] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> don't go driving in israel unless you know for sure that you know what you're doing. WELL!!!
[21:08] <Paige> hi
[21:08] <geoff_doloff> i personally would find it harder to cope with things within a day school, at least in my public school i have the option to see different views and then question them myself
[21:08] <Guest11227> yeh i agree
[21:08] <Jeff_Bernstein> lots of people can do it, but when you are conditioned for so many years, its hard to readjust
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[21:08] <dmgoldber> when you are around different people, you learn more
[21:08] <JordanKileyCRUSY> One of my friends is trying to decide if she wants to convert to Judaism, so I am teaching her Hebrew and about our laws
[21:08] <Guest11227> i feel like i would have enjoyed day school but i love my experiences in public school
[21:08] <michelledebraCHUSY> I used to feel really isolated in a non-Jewish area, but I have become very close to the few Jews in my school and learned to travel for USY. I also haev a lot of nonJewish friends who love learning about my religioun, and I love learning about theirs, as long as we remember who goes where at the end of the day.
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[21:09] <JordanKileyCRUSY> She is really interested
[21:09] <michelledebraCHUSY> That's really cool.
[21:10] <Jeff_Bernstein> geoff, i completely agree with you... however it's a matter or conditioning... also the feeling you get in a total jewish community, while some feel its restricting and closed off, its such an unbelievable feeling
[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> a good friend of mine who was in dayschool until high school said it was QUITE a shock
[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> i suppose it's also got to do with the fact that you aren't used to being around so many different cultures, religions, etc. and you get cultureshock
[21:10] <dmgoldber> before we were talking about economic ways of supporting Israel... what do you all think?
[21:10] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i can't go on pilgrimage this year. cause i need to earn some money this summer so that my parents'll let me but i will next year or the year after cause i think it's important to visit israel if you can
[21:10] <jmo> yo goldberg
[21:10] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> yes
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[21:11] <jmo> mah atah rotzeh david
[21:11] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> oh the other one
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[21:11] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I have never gone to a day school, but I wish I had at one point... I have had to work so hard to learn Hebrew and had to do so much extra studying....USY has helped me so much
[21:11] <Joel_masta_flex> wut up
[21:11] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Yair, so do I
[21:11] <Guest11227> hey joel
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[21:12] <Joel_masta_flex> whut's goin down in here?
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> we're SUPPOSED to be talking about israel
[21:12] <Jeff_Bernstein> ISRAEL!
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> ok so let's try an israel-related topic
[21:12] <Uri_CHUSY> good point, justin
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[21:12] <Joel_masta_flex> aight
[21:12] <Uri_CHUSY> whats up?
[21:12] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Okay, back to Jason's question: Would you join the Israeli army?
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[21:12] <Joel_masta_flex> everyone wanna say where u from and who u r
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[21:12] <michelledebraCHUSY> And if you would join Tzahal
[21:13] <Guest54186> hey
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[21:13] <Joel_masta_flex> i would join tzahal
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[21:13] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I would do whatever it takes to keep our home
[21:13] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> a good way to increase support for israel might be to see if your rabbi will let you give a d'var torah and talk a lot about israel in it
[21:13] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i might join, but id need to see first hand what id be up against first
[21:13] <emily_sowalsky> my name is Emily, I am from NERUSY and I would join the Tzahal if they would let me... but my hebrew is certainly not good enough so I'm going on Nativ as the next best thing
[21:13] <Joel_masta_flex> hey em
[21:13] <yaelham> 136 days
[21:13] <yaelham> :)
[21:14] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Have you guys ever noticed how confusing it is to call both the U.S. and Israel your home?
[21:14] <Joel_masta_flex> well i'll be going on Young Judaea year course
[21:14] <Joel_masta_flex> and after that i might join
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[21:14] <Joel_masta_flex> not very confusing
[21:14] <michelledebraCHUSY> I would like to think that I would join, but I honestly don't know. I would definitely strongly consider it, though.
[21:14] <Joel_masta_flex> israel is first home
[21:14] <emily_sowalsky> 135 days actually
[21:14] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I have
[21:14] <dmgoldber> guys, our goal in this chat is to talk about what we can do as North American Jewish teens... hopefully people will be able to bring ideas from the chat to their chapters and regions.
[21:14] <Joel_masta_flex> USA second home
[21:14] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> I am yair goldberg of crusy and i love israel but i wouldn't join tzahal because i'm a pacifist
[21:14] <dmgoldber> what can we do from North America
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[21:14] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Israel is my first home
[21:15] <Guest91281> Hi Everyone
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> we can suport the israeli army without joining it
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[21:15] <michelledebraCHUSY> Well, there is that boring old "write your congressperson" response, but it could always help.
[21:15] <Joel_masta_flex> what we can do from North america is to teach ignorant people about the actual situation in Israel
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[21:15] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I say that America is where my body lives and Israel is where my heart is
[21:15] <michelledebraCHUSY> ooh
[21:15] <Joel_masta_flex> and not the media situation
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[21:15] <PaigeNerusy> Support is anyway- i'm trying to go on Nativ next year- to show my support, but i think a big part is to get our parents to support Israel as much as we do so that they will support our decision to go!
[21:15] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Oh, tip about writing congressmen
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[21:15] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Send postcards or faxes
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[21:15] <Guest91281> Jason it showed up as Gyest
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[21:15] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Most letters in envelopes get thrown away
[21:15] <Uri_CHUSY> yair..would u move to israel and work there and work so that others could go to the army and in effect help the war effort?
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> why?
[21:15] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Because of Anthrax
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[21:16] <michelledebraCHUSY> What about e-mails?
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[21:16] <yaelham> postcards! cool! like, hey congressman saxton, i'm in florida, the weather is great, just wanted to say HI! and i love israel!
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[21:16] <Feehg> whuddup feehgahos???
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[21:16] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> you can also go and lobby, I did that and meet with one of the TX sentors, it was a readlly intersting expericance
[21:16] <Feehg> how;s life
[21:16] <michelledebraCHUSY> That's cool.
[21:16] <JordanKileyCRUSY> E-mails... Put a few word summary of what you're gonna write in the Subject
[21:16] <JordanKileyCRUSY> LOL yael
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[21:16] <Feehg> my sisters best friends dad is a texas rep,
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[21:16] <Jeff_Bernstein> joe, we're talking about israel.... no talking about feehgs in here
[21:16] <Feehg> her mom is mayor of dallas
[21:16] <dmgoldber> meeting with senators, governors, and in Canada, MP's, is a really good way about really learning about your country's policy towards Israel
[21:17] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> Laura Miller
[21:17] <Feehg> yeah
[21:17] <Guest49908> nick Arielle NERUSY
[21:17] <emily_sowalsky> i learned this week that congressmen as a whole receive WAY more anti-israel letters than pro-israel letters, so we should certainly contact them however we can emails, postcards, whatever
[21:17] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Feehg: Connections are good
[21:17] <Feehg> how'd you know???
[21:17] <PaigeNerusy> Does she support Israel ?
[21:17] <Feehg> mos def
[21:17] <Feehg> hardcore
[21:17] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> I live in Dallas, TX
[21:17] <michelledebraCHUSY> That would probably be a fun USY activity too, in a small group. Going to visit (not lobby -- just talk to) a local rep
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[21:18] <PaigeNerusy> sweet- so u've (we;ve) got to get her to spread her beliefs to the other reps
[21:18] <Jeff_Bernstein> actually, in ECRUSY we just did that this past weekend
[21:18] <dmgoldber> we did that in ECRUSY... so see if you can meet your municipal leadership
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> yeah how was that?
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[21:18] <Feehg> i was there in ecrusy
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[21:18] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> did you know that yesterday a suicide bomberwent into a shop and was kicked out by a security guard. the bomber was then arrested before he or she could detonate
[21:18] <michelledebraCHUSY> Do you think that ECRUSY's trip was effective?
[21:18] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Have you noticed how the most vocally pro-Israel reps are Republicans, while 97% of Jews voted Dem?
[21:18] <emily_sowalsky> who did you guys get to meet?
[21:18] <Feehg> i gtg
[21:18] <emily_sowalsky> (ecrusy)
[21:18] <Zach> hey
[21:18] <Feehg> lata playas
[21:18] <Zach> how're you?
[21:18] <Zach> not to badly
[21:18] <Zach> jeffy!!!
[21:19] <dmgoldber> we met various Ministers of Parliament (like your governors)
[21:19] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Also, over 400 suicide bombers have been stopped?
[21:19] <Feehg> peace jeff
[21:19] <JordanKileyCRUSY> At the border
[21:19] <dmgoldber> they told us about the government policies, and other fun stuff too!
[21:19] <Jeff_Bernstein> you too joe
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[21:19] <geoff_doloff> My region had a large social action DAY last sunday, and at the end of the day, we had each of the participants write a letter to the president and a letter to the israeli soldiers. It is really easy and doesn't take much time. I think we ar doing similar activities at our spring convention as well.
[21:19] <Zach> oooh you hot little canadienne
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[21:19] <yaelham> yeah geoffrey, we are
[21:19] <Jeff_Bernstein> hi zachie.... we're talking about israel, not me tho :)
[21:19] <jmo> canadian olympic gold medalists as well!!! go sale and pelletier
[21:19] <emily_sowalsky> during elections
[21:19] <geoff_doloff> hehe awesome yelly
[21:19] <Zach> oh
[21:19] <Zach> i was at Columbia today
[21:19] <JordanKileyCRUSY> We give Rosh Hashanna baskets to our reps
[21:20] <PaigeNerusy> I'm hoping we do support at our spring- but i'm sure we;ve thought o\about that
[21:20] <Zach> apparently be big pro palestinian rally yesterday
[21:20] <geoff_doloff> yeah...we are doing israel programs while they are tabulating the results during elections
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[21:20] <PaigeNerusy> and will def do soemthing interesting
[21:20] <Jason_Lustig> oh that's cool geoff, what kind of israel programs?
[21:20] <Feehg> LATA
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[21:20] <Zach> the faculty for arab studies was way out of line
[21:20] <Zach> they should lose their tenure
[21:20] <geoff_doloff> and at other times during convention as well...yael do you want to answer jason's q?
[21:20] <PaigeNerusy> what's interesting events to do as a chapter to show our support
[21:20] <PaigeNerusy> that owuld get lots of peope itnerested
[21:20] <emily_sowalsky> i'll answer it!
[21:20] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Yeah, Columbus had a Israel rally a few blocks from a Palestinian rally a few weeks ago
[21:20] <geoff_doloff> hehe
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[21:20] <geoff_doloff> ok emily
[21:20] <JordanKileyCRUSY> It was so scary
[21:20] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i don't know if this is standard but the crusy exec vp sends out chadashot every couple of days or so
[21:20] <yaelham> well, geoffrey, and jason, at spring we going to have pictures taken of everyone who has been to israel ever
[21:21] <Jeff_Bernstein> last night in toronto there was a MASSIVE rally/march for ISrael... it was absolutely unbelievable
[21:21] <Zach> i'm glad you guys have all that stuff for israel
[21:21] <michelledebraCHUSY> This is sort of a weird question, but how can we get the message of the importance of Israel and supporting Israel to our fellow USYers without overdoing it.
[21:21] <emily_sowalsky> hey i didnt know that part yael
[21:21] <Zach> but living in the normally warm liberal setting
[21:21] <yaelham> on big banners around the room with signs saying, ive to israel, how about you, in hebrew and in english
[21:21] <Zach> the arabs get most of the attention
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[21:21] <emily_sowalsky> i don't think it's possible to overdue to
[21:21] <JordanKileyCRUSY> In Columbus, we had a rally last night with over 600 people
[21:21] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Zach- cuz they blow stuff upX
[21:21] <yaelham> and we are going to write letters to the prez and to the idf, and some other things...
[21:21] <jmo> yesterday there was a rally in montreal that brought out 25000 from the community it was the biggest israel rally in montreal history
[21:22] <Russo> hey all whats going on!
[21:22] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> next thursday there's a rally in youngstown
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> well sometimes the little, local rallies aren't really noticed as much bc they're just local
[21:22] <briteturtle7> there was a major rally in Houston at JCC
[21:22] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Wow!
[21:22] <michelledebraCHUSY> Chicago had one last week
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> but what if all the jewish communities around the US all did local rallies on the same day?
[21:22] <Zach> i mean they get most of the..... sympathy for lack of a better word
[21:22] <Zach> it's really disgusting....
[21:22] <room> 3 hi
[21:22] <Jeff_Bernstein> jason, trust me theyre noticed
[21:22] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Cuz they are best at getting the press to tell their side
[21:22] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i agree with zach
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[21:22] <JordanKileyCRUSY> www.opsick.com
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[21:22] <emily_sowalsky> who went to the rally in dc on monday?
[21:22] <Zach> ok... i hate to say it, but jews really do control the media
[21:23] <michelledebraCHUSY> In Chicago there are also counter-rallies being organized to split the press coverage when there are Muslim/Arab/Palestinian rallies.
[21:23] <Russo> I DID!!!! :)
[21:23] <briteturtle7> how
[21:23] <Zach> it's an accurate stereotype
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[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> zach: then why is it so pro-palesinian
[21:23] <michelledebraCHUSY> I was in DC.
[21:23] <Uri_CHUSY> I also did!!!
[21:23] <Russo> hehe
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[21:23] <Jeff_Bernstein> it doesnt have to be "big rallies" to be notices.... a rally in toronto that pulls in 20,000 ppl (even tho that is only a mere 10% of the toronto jewish community) attracts much publicity
[21:23] <Zach> most of the opinion columns in big newspapers are jewish
[21:23] <briteturtle7> the US is a christian country
[21:23] <JordanKileyCRUSY> No one reads those
[21:23] <Zach> the us roots for the underdog
[21:23] <PaigeNerusy> smemily- will Bosoton be having one that u know of soon?
[21:23] <Russo> who else was at hte rally in DC?
[21:23] <briteturtle7> that is true
[21:23] <Zach> the palestinians vs. the biggest superpower in the middle east
[21:23] <emily_sowalsky> the one in dc certainly got publcity-- front page of the NYtimes
[21:23] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> if the palestinians are right and israel stole their land unfairly, then saying israel should give them back their land is like saying the US should give georgia to the cherokee
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[21:23] <Zach> it doesn't look good
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[21:24] <JordanKileyCRUSY> According to the press, the underdog in this sitty is the Palestinian people
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[21:24] <Zach> yes but in the US who makes analogies like that?
[21:24] <briteturtle7> palestinians don't want israel to exist bottomline
[21:24] <JordanKileyCRUSY> I agree Yair
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[21:24] <Zach> brb guys
[21:24] <Zach> some1 i gotta chat with
[21:24] <Jeff_Bernstein> watch the generalizations guys... its not all the palestinians... its extremists and the like
[21:24] <Russo> the question is - if the palestinians dont want israel to exist, then what should israel's role be in dealing with them? should israel still try for peace?
[21:25] <briteturtle7> i agree ruso
[21:25] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> if they are wrong which they are and we conquered fairly in a military conflict which is true, then it's like saying the us should give michigan and ohio and chicago back to britain
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> well imagine if canada were sending suicide bombers into the us
[21:25] <JordanKileyCRUSY> UN is letting the US do in Afghanistan what they won't let Israel do to the Palestinians
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> (no offense canadians)
[21:25] <geoff_doloff> peace is not really a viable option...they don't want it, and thus it won't ever exist
[21:25] <jmo> none takin
[21:25] <dmgoldber> Is Israel fighting against the whole Palestinian pop., or just a few terrorsits? I think a few terrorists...
[21:25] <geoff_doloff> people need to realize that, because they are beingto idealistic, and until they relize that, than nothing will ge done.
[21:25] <Jeff_Bernstein> ahh jason, imagine if the us is sending bombs at canadian soldiers... thats more viable
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> yes a few terrorists who are standing behind civilians
[21:25] <Russo> if peace isnt a viable option, then what is? i agree wiht you, but what should israel be doing then?
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[21:25] <jmo> few terrorists i like to believe that the palestinians as a whole are good people
[21:26] <Uri_CHUSY> Israel is fighting against stubborn leaders and a minority of terrorists and a population that has been brainwashed
[21:26] <Framingham> Hello room
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[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> who is from framingham?
[21:26] <JordanKileyCRUSY> A few terrorists who each breed a few more terrorists
[21:26] <geoff_doloff> As netanyahu said at the rally, arafat doesn't want a palestinian state next to israrel, he wants a palestinian state INSTEAD of israel
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> also the palestinains know how to work the PR machine
[21:26] <Framingham> Michael Goldman
[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> do i know
[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> u
[21:26] <JordanKileyCRUSY> And with them comes more hate
[21:26] <geoff_doloff> very true jason
[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> whuteva \
[21:26] <Framingham> Framingham Massachusetts
[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> i'm out
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[21:26] <Joel_masta_flex> peace
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> they know how to make suicide bombings look innocent, and we need to fight that
[21:26] <Russo> yes, the palestinians dont watn israel
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[21:26] <Russo> but what should israel do?
[21:26] <geoff_doloff> i hehe thanks russo
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> we can do that from here in NA by learning about what's going on
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[21:27] <Russo> hehe
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[21:27] <geoff_doloff> there is only one thing they can do...and netanyahu said it too, we need to defeat them
[21:27] <JordanKileyCRUSY> How do you fight people willing to strap bombs on their bodies?
[21:27] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> their constitution has as one of their primary goals, an end to the jewish state
[21:27] <Framingham> JasonGoldmanNERUSY: How are you?
[21:27] <dmgoldber> a constitution made by corrupt leaders
[21:27] <geoff_doloff> they don't and will never want peace (we need to realize this) so it is time to take out the big guns and defeat them...we just need to make sure our PR doesn't crumble in any counterattack
[21:27] <briteturtle7> perhaps a program needs to be designated that Palestinians and Israelis can get to know and understand each other
[21:27] <dmgoldber> can we eliminate an innocent civilian population?
[21:27] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> true but they support it
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> yes and do they even control the people very much or is it more of the terrorist orgs.?
[21:28] <michelledebraCHUSY> What can we do as North American Jews?
[21:28] <geoff_doloff> there are programs like that briteturtle
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[21:28] <Jeff_Bernstein> which brings up another question... can peace be achieved with the current Israeli and Palestinian governments??
[21:28] <briteturtle7> like..
[21:28] <AriellaEPA> no it cant
[21:28] <Jason_Lustig> well not with the current palest. govt
[21:28] <jmo> the problem isnt fighting terrorists its that the terrorists are surrounded by innocent civilians
[21:28] <JordanKileyCRUSY> U know how a few weeks ago the Arabs were supposedly meeting to discuss a "Saudi Peace agreement"? Peace agreement my Jewish tuchus
[21:28] <AriellaEPA> we do not want to compromise and neither do they
[21:28] <geoff_doloff> for children, there is Seeds of Peace, which puts palestinian and israeli children in a tolerance camp together over the summer so they can get to know eachother
[21:28] <briteturtle7> oh
[21:28] <geoff_doloff> i will be back later...good talks so far guys
[21:29] <AriellaEPA> yeah they get to know eachother and end up kililng eachother in war
[21:29] <Framingham> I'm out
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[21:29] <JordanKileyCRUSY> geoff, that's great, but that's only a few hundred kids
[21:29] <Framingham> goodye
[21:29] <briteturtle7> that makes no sense
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[21:29] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> we tried the pre 67 borders. they weren't defenceible.
[21:29] <geoff_doloff> i agree jordan, but it is a start
[21:29] <Jeff_Bernstein> yes, never underestimate the power of 1
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[21:29] <mitsvagirl555> paige???
[21:29] <AriellaEPA> how are you supposed to become friends with someone and then have to go kill them because theyre your "enemies" its not fair
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> well what happens is that even if they meet some israeli kids then the palestinians who run the educational system say that those aren't what most of hte israelis are like
[21:29] <mitsvagirl555> from sharon???
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[21:29] <geoff_doloff> they children today are the leaders of the tomorrow and a country so small as israel, those few hundred kids could grow up to make a difference
[21:29] <AriellaEPA> not if theyre taught to hate
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[21:30] <briteturtle7> i agree with geoff
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[21:30] <AriellaEPA> they can become friends but when they go back home theyve got all their friends n family telling htem to hate the other side
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> yes yes yes
[21:30] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> but how are we going to start teaching them not to hate
[21:30] <geoff_doloff> but we are speaking of the SEEDS OF PEACE program in which a few hundred kids from both sides are taught tolerance and understanding
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> the only way is to comandeer their educational system entirely...
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[21:30] <geoff_doloff> i am not mentioning the "terrorist schools" the palestinians have
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[21:30] <JordanKileyCRUSY> True
[21:30] <geoff_doloff> awesome point jason!!!
[21:30] <AriellaEPA> but if you have 100 kids telling you the taliban is good are you gonna believe them?
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[21:31] <geoff_doloff> not if you have two hundred telling you that the taliban isn't good
[21:31] <Zach> back sorry
[21:31] <briteturtle7> the taliban is good only the extremists are bad
[21:31] <jmo> ill may be back later
[21:31] <Jeff_Bernstein> haha geoff
[21:31] <PaigeNerusy> mitzvahgirl- this IS paige from Sharon
[21:31] <jmo> bye
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[21:31] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> my father once had a discusion with the only major palestinian leader who has admitted publicly that a good starting point for discusions is not a demand that all palestinians be allowed back into israel
[21:31] <Zach> what'd i miss?
[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> um, the taliban IS the extremists
[21:31] <briteturtle7> bye
[21:31] <geoff_doloff> we know children will continue to be taught badly...WE NEED TO TEACH MORE CHILDREN GOOD THAN BAD...THAT IS WHAT NEED TO HAPPEN
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[21:31] <AriellaEPA> ur right geoff......but....
[21:32] <PaigeNerusy> Mitzvahgirl- it is Paige from Sharon
[21:32] <AriellaEPA> you can teach 200 palestinian kids israelis are good, but they wont convince other ppl
[21:32] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> but children learn from thier prents and from school.. and thats where they are fed that information
[21:32] <Zach> jeffy what'd i miss?
[21:32] <geoff_doloff> there will always be the schools for chilldren to be corrupted, we just need to as jason said, "commandeer the education system" and teach more children the right thing (but maybe that is just my sato idealistic attitude speaking)
[21:32] <AriellaEPA> exactly ally
[21:32] <JordanKileyCRUSY> "There will only be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us" Golda Meir
[21:32] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> and you can not change a persons ideas who are really strong in them
[21:32] <AriellaEPA> no ur right geoff
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> but how would we feel if someone came in and screwed around with our educational system?
[21:32] <Jeff_Bernstein> israel debating zach
[21:32] <geoff_doloff> ok thanks ariella :)
[21:32] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> so its a huge never ending cyle
[21:32] <Jason_Lustig> the issue is eastern views on live v. western views
[21:32] <Zach> i got that part jeff
[21:32] <AriellaEPA> your welcome geoff
[21:32] <Zach> uch....
[21:33] <AriellaEPA> yay jeff i love you
[21:33] <Zach> it's not east vs. west
[21:33] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> like they could, Jason?
[21:33] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Who has read the book "One More River"
[21:33] <geoff_doloff> i would be mad jason because we have a great educational system, but theirs is in shambles...so i wouldn't be mad
[21:33] <Jeff_Bernstein> thanks arismella :)
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> no, why don't you tell us what is' about jordan?
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[21:33] <AriellaEPA> ne time :)
[21:33] <Zach> it's Palestinian vs. Israeli
[21:33] <geoff_doloff> good to see you back yelly
[21:33] <Zach> not even Arab vs. Israeli
[21:33] <dmgoldber> Do you guys think that those people who are not going to Israel for various reasons can still support Israel?
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> no but most of the arabs support palestinians
[21:33] <Zach> just Palestinian vs. Israeli, it's all palestinian
[21:33] <Zach> no most Arabs don't support the palestinians
[21:34] <geoff_doloff> YES THEY CAN STILL SUPPORT ISRAEL
[21:34] <dmgoldber> how Geoff?
[21:34] <Jason_Lustig> yes yes
[21:34] <Jeff_Bernstein> of course they still can
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[21:34] <AriellaEPA> yesh i do dmgoldberg
[21:34] <geoff_doloff> we don't understand that there are other ways besides going ther
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[21:34] <JordanKileyCRUSY> A rich, Jewish girl from Canada who moves to a Kibbutz in Israel right on the Jordan River
[21:34] <Zach> the refugee camps are worse in egypt, lebanon, syria and jordan than anywhere else
[21:34] <AriellaEPA> what about the rally in dc on mon?
[21:34] <geoff_doloff> WRITING LETTERS, CREATING PROGRAMS, EVEN DISCUSSING ISRAEL WITH FRIENDS IN SCHOOL
[21:34] <da_Fudman> most arabs do support palestinains
[21:34] <AriellaEPA> what about buying isralei made product?
[21:34] <AriellaEPA> what about writing letters to the president?
[21:34] <Zach> they don't support the palestinians
[21:34] <da_Fudman> didnt use to be the case
[21:34] <Jeff_Bernstein> however, as ive heard so many israelis tell me personally, the BEST way to support israel is to go there
[21:34] <da_Fudman> but it is now
[21:34] <JordanKileyCRUSY> There, she meets an Arab boy who she becomes friends with and they teach each other
[21:34] <Zach> they just don't want the palestinians on their land
[21:35] <geoff_doloff> tomorrow i am giving a daily report in my government and politics calls about the rally to dispell any misconstrued information...that is helping israel and i didn't have to fly there to plan the program
[21:35] <AriellaEPA> yes but its so hard to get our parents to let us
[21:35] <AriellaEPA> altho my cousins are making aaliyah soon
[21:35] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Another good book is "Habibi"
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[21:35] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> greetings from youngstown CRUSYwiz
[21:35] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Arielle, I know
[21:35] <yaelhamhagalil> what is habibi about jordan?
[21:35] <Zach> It's Arab hating the Palestinians and Palestinians hating Arabs
[21:35] <PaigeNerusy> Does anyone know who Mitzvahgirl555 was? (sorry OT)
[21:35] <Zach> so they pick on the Jews
[21:35] <geoff_doloff> yes jeff, but that isn't exactly a feasible option right now for us is it...that is like for me to tell you, the best way to change the world is to donate all the money you have to TO, but we know that isn't possible, so we take one step at a time.
[21:35] <Zach> that's what always happens
[21:35] <yaelhamhagalil> geoff, that is awesome that you are doing that in school
[21:35] <Jeff_Bernstein> there is so much that can be done... however, it has to go beyond what everyone is saying as the standards
[21:35] <geoff_doloff> thanks yelly.
[21:35] <Zach> when 2 peoples hate each other the Jews die
[21:36] <geoff_doloff> i will tell you about it tomorrow
[21:36] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Jewish boy, Arab girl, shows you the Palestinian perspeactive
[21:36] <AriellaEPA> exactly jeff
[21:36] <Jason_Lustig> well so how can we help israel?
[21:36] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> zach. so what else is new?
[21:36] <geoff_doloff> i gottta go for now guys...i will be back later
[21:36] <AriellaEPA> we need to at lwast continue what we are doing now
[21:36] <geoff_doloff> keep up the good work :)
[21:36] <dmgoldber> what can we do outside of rallies, along the lines of what Geoff said earlier
[21:36] <AriellaEPA> bye geoff
[21:36] <JordanKileyCRUSY> They're young adult books, but really amazing
[21:36] <AriellaEPA> ur cool
[21:36] <geoff_doloff> bye ariella :)
[21:36] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Show our support, educate others
[21:36] <AriellaEPA> bye bye
[21:36] <Zach> i didn't say it was new
[21:36] <Zach> it's just the truth
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[21:36] <Jeff_Bernstein> first of all, everyone has to realize that their actions alone make such a difference... it doesnt have to be seen on an international scale... however, even writing letters to soldiers does so much to boost their morale
[21:37] <CRUSYWiz> hey pam here from cleveland ohio
[21:37] <Jason_Lustig> besides reading the emails that you get over the hechalutzim and usy listserves, you should also forward them to your parents and stuff like that so that they get the info as well
[21:37] <AriellaEPA> i think if we all do things, tell our friends, family, aquaintances,
[21:37] <AriellaEPA> it can spread...
[21:37] <CRUSYWiz> we just had a huge rally/ yom hatzmaut thing here and 1200 ppl came from all denominations
[21:37] <CRUSYWiz> it was wonderful
[21:37] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> pam who else would dare use a name like CRUSYwiz
[21:37] <Jeff_Bernstein> now imagine if everyone did something on their own that contrbuted to an end goal like that... it is incredible... plus everyone we affect will in turn have an affect on so many more people
[21:37] <dmgoldber> thats awesome
[21:37] <AriellaEPA> ppl just need to KNOW what they can do...some ppl want to help but are ignorant as to what actions to take
[21:37] <AriellaEPA> thank you jeff!!!!!
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[21:37] <AriellaEPA> im trying to get that out but im the slowest typer ever
[21:38] <CRUSYWiz> hello yair
[21:38] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> hey
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> ok
[21:38] <PaigeNerusy> what kind of SATO place are there in Israel where my chapter can send out money?
[21:38] <AriellaEPA> any one here live in MI n go to IC?
[21:38] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> we're on the verge of deciding there's no way to support israel from the us
[21:38] <CRUSYWiz> we just need to keep on leting people know our opinions and hopes for israel, cause if we stop then there will be no support
[21:38] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Put up signs around your school about Israel
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[21:38] <AriellaEPA> tell your non jewish friends
[21:39] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> some schools wont let u cuz its religion vs school
[21:39] <yaelhamhagalil> paige, there are a billion. what type of thing are you looking for?
[21:39] <AriellaEPA> so they can tell their friends.but up signs in churches and stuff
[21:39] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> and they dont like to mix it
[21:39] <Zara-SWUSY> jordan, that sounds good
[21:39] <Zach> israel's in enough trouble wihtout our help
[21:39] <PaigeNerusy> Jordan- in many public schools- they won't allow the Israel or Jewish things (any religious thiungs)
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> here's an idea
[21:39] <Zach> just make sure that whatever you do publically doesn't make it worse
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> do a "Middle East Situation" debate at your school
[21:39] <Zach> look at france
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[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> and then have you and your friends show up and support israel
[21:39] <JordanKileyCRUSY> iIsrael isn't religion
[21:39] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> supporting isreal is not a relgious thing
[21:39] <Zach> 360 acts of violent antisemitism in the last few months
[21:39] <Zara-SWUSY> i like your idea jason
[21:39] <AriellaEPA> israeyes jordan!
[21:39] <Jeff_Bernstein> guys, let me tell you... the majority of the Toronto community last night felt ISRAEL's presence. We made them feel it and they had no choice but to cheer on with us and stand with Israel... we had 20000 ppl at the rally, but so many more people were affected... you CAN change things
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[21:39] <Zara-SWUSY> i agree wit ally
[21:39] <Russo> how is israel not related to judaism?
[21:39] <PaigeNerusy> but it's religiously assumed to many
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[21:40] <AriellaEPA> yeah canada
[21:40] <PaigeNerusy> (like us!)
[21:40] <AriellaEPA> russo!
[21:40] <Zach> some orthodox jews march with the palestinians
[21:40] <Swusysweeti2004> hey everyone
[21:40] <Zara-SWUSY> israel means the safety of a nation
[21:40] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> any crusy exec board here (this will be on topic in a minute if the answer is yes)
[21:40] <AriellaEPA> beacuse its ISRAEL and PALESTINE not arabs and jews
[21:40] <Zach> they believe we shouldn't be there till mashioch comes
[21:40] <AriellaEPA> even tho it is
[21:40] <CRUSYWiz> hey does the person in toronto go to CHAT?
[21:40] <CRUSYWiz> cause if so i am wondering what they do there to help out israel
[21:40] <JordanKileyCRUSY> Maybe have your chapters USYers wear clothes w/ Israeli flags, or stuff about Israel to school one day
[21:40] <Jeff_Bernstein> yes i do
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[21:40] <PaigeNerusy> Yael- anything really- I know we need to allocate our money someplace- somepalce USy supports mayueb ( i know there are a lot)
[21:40] <CRUSYWiz> i go to ramah in canada so i know a ton of ppl there
[21:41] <Jeff_Bernstein> i can talk to you on AOL if you have... my SN is CoachCanadia
[21:41] <Guest4502> hello
[21:41] <Zach> go ramah canada!!!
[21:41] <Zach> i went htere for 7 years
[21:41] <CRUSYWiz> what has been going on in your school
[21:41] <Guest4502> I was at the Israel rally monday
[21:41] <Guest4502> was awing
[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> yeah ramah canada..
[21:41] <Guest4502> 200,000 people
[21:41] <Jeff_Bernstein> id rather talk to you online personally... i cant tupe so much
[21:41] <CRUSYWiz> zach.............
[21:41] <AriellaEPA> its amazing how if we want to do something we can
[21:41] <Zach> stern
[21:41] <Guest4502> was tight
[21:41] <Zach> i was CRUSY
[21:41] <CRUSYWiz> meryl
[21:41] <CRUSYWiz> oh i know you
[21:41] <AriellaEPA> yay zach stern
[21:41] <Zach> before i was old enough for USY
[21:41] <CRUSYWiz> hahahaha
[21:41] <Zach> go BGUSY!
[21:41] <Guest4502> (:
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[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> ok guys let's stay on topic
[21:41] <Zach> and the park synagogue chapter in cleveland
[21:42] <Guest4502> yea
[21:42] <Zach> ok i'm done
[21:42] <Guest4502> there was a bombing in france today
[21:42] <CRUSYWiz> i have no clue
[21:42] <Guest4502> a jewish book store was bombed
[21:42] <tans> jason, they've been on topic for a while...break time!
[21:42] <JordanKileyCRUSY> crap, g2g
[21:42] <JordanKileyCRUSY> brb later
[21:42] <Jason_Lustig> no, after a brak we can't get back on topic, it's been scientifcailly proven
[21:42] <Guest4502> adios
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[21:42] <AriellaEPA> bye jordan
[21:42] <PaigeNerusy> I've been thinking for a while- there must be somehting HUGE that USy can do. we are so big that we must be able to do something with the Israel government
[21:42] <Guest4502> bye
[21:42] <Jeff_Bernstein> lol jason.... at least with usy it has
[21:42] <Zach> lol
[21:42] <Zach> let's talk about bus e, eh?
[21:42] <PaigeNerusy> i mean we are sooo big- there's gotta be SOMETHING!
[21:42] <AriellaEPA> hahahah
[21:42] <Guest4502> yea the usy should do something
[21:42] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> one crusy chapter, CBSUSY, was selling blank white t-shirts and blue permanent markers to "make your own israel t-shirt" at the shuk at Regionals. the money went to israel
[21:43] <Guest4502> hey question
[21:43] <CRUSYWiz> it was really nice
[21:43] <dmgoldber> USY is doing something now by talking about it
[21:43] <PaigeNerusy> Yeah bus E 2000- sorry anyway
[21:43] <AriellaEPA> we need to have a BIG thing @ IC next yr
[21:43] <Jason_Lustig> well a big thing is writing letters to the editor in your paper
[21:43] <Guest4502> does USY only accept conservative Jews?
[21:43] <Zach> ohh you're that paige?
[21:43] <dmgoldber> but you're right, we should do more... any ideas?
[21:43] <PaigeNerusy> ??
[21:43] <wendy_hanefesh> bus e 2000?
[21:43] <AriellaEPA> bus e 2001
[21:43] <Zach> i go out with one of alina's best friends
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[21:43] <PaigeNerusy> Whatchya mean Zach? yeah 2000!
[21:43] <PaigeNerusy> cool
[21:43] <Ally_Bazarsky_SWUSY> is anyone doing Summer in the city this summer?
[21:43] <PaigeNerusy> u hear about me Zach?
[21:43] <Zach> so i hear the sexy chicas stories
[21:43] <wendy_hanefesh> you are ali rafalowskys friend, right?
[21:44] <Jeff_Bernstein> zach stay on topic!
[21:44] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i wish you guys would stay on topic
[21:44] <Zach> lol... but i'm talking about alina!1!
[21:44] <Jeff_Bernstein> enough about srah
[21:44] <PaigeNerusy> hehe- ali is my best fruiebnd! if anyone wants to talk to me on aol- IM me at paigenson
[21:44] <AriellaEPA> thank you canada
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[21:44] <tans> ya canada!
[21:44] <jmo> shalom!
[21:44] <tans> hey jmo
[21:44] <Zach> is jmo josh morher?
[21:44] <Jason_Lustig> ok, so do you guys think israel should pull back the troops later or keep them in the west bank?
[21:44] <PaigeNerusy> but really- isn't there soemthing HUGE wew can do!!!!
[21:44] <CRUSYWiz> what ha each region been doing about the situation lately in israel? and making regions aware of whats goiing on?
[21:44] <AriellaEPA> CAN WE TALK ABOUT ISRAEL
[21:44] <Russo> yes please!
[21:44] <jmo> no
[21:44] <CRUSYWiz> keep them there
[21:45] -> *jmo* PLEASE stay o topic or else i'll kick you out
[21:45] <Zach> i've never been to israel
[21:45] <CRUSYWiz> its dangerous but we need to keep everything in control
[21:45] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i can't pick the conversations which are on topic out of the ones which aren't
[21:45] <AriellaEPA> ok the isralis say the only way to over come this is to FIGHT
[21:45] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i think they should keep them in, its not gonna be any worse or better if they take them out
[21:45] <Zach> and at this rate i'm not going for a while
[21:45] <Jeff_Bernstein> thats not true arismella
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[21:45] <Zach> i agree with arismella
[21:45] <Russo> did any of you guys have programs for yom hazikaron or yom haatzmaut in your regoins?
[21:45] <tans> kevin!
[21:45] <AriellaEPA> i think they should keep them in but not kill civilans
[21:45] <AriellaEPA> it is canada!
[21:45] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> im the only one that answers Jason's question...
[21:45] <AriellaEPA> thanks zach
[21:45] <dmgoldber> by taking the troops out of the territories, can Israel remain a safe country? Why/why not?
[21:45] <Jason_Lustig> i think that they should keep them in, at lesat until the PA is dismantled
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[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> israel is not safe until they can have secure borders
[21:46] <BigNides> what did i miss?
[21:46] <dmgoldber> if the PA is dismantled, how will we ever make peace?
[21:46] <wendy_hanefesh> I agree w/ jason
[21:46] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> i agree with jason
[21:46] <Jeff_Bernstein> sharon has said he wants to form a peace conference... however, he doesnt want arafat attending
[21:46] <Zach> i wanna see a return to the borders.... or june 9 of 67
[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> haha, then who will represent the palestinians?
[21:46] <dmgoldber> how can we make peace with no one from the PA?
[21:46] <AriellaEPA> look my uncle lives in israle kerens dad is from israel ive heard from ppl who have connections who nkow how to deal with palestinians
[21:46] <Zach> or maybe the 5th day of Yom Kippur war
[21:46] <CRUSYWiz> it's all so confusing
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[21:46] <AriellaEPA> they all say FIGHT
[21:46] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> there are some more left wing leaders who might take over if the PA were completely dismantled
[21:46] <Zach> i mean we'd have sinai, syria to damascus
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[21:47] <Zach> jordan to amman
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> yes, well israel has been leaning more an more to the right
[21:47] <PaigeNerusy> I think it's interesting how there may be an arab conference without arafat
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[21:47] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> its not gonna get better or worse by taking them out, so they might as well keep them in and try to make it better, since you cant stop something if your not actually dealing with it, and leaving isnt dealing with it
[21:47] <Zach> and territories in saudi arrabia
[21:47] <Jeff_Bernstein> because more moderate arab nations will stand in and represent the PA... i dont know how much sense it makes to me... but thats them...
[21:47] <Zach> then we can give that to the PA
[21:47] <Zach> and let the arabs fight it out
[21:47] <AriellaEPA> arafats a piece of crap
[21:47] <Zach> cuz that's what it's all about really
[21:47] <Zach> inter arab conflict
[21:47] <Zach> look at iraq
[21:47] <AriellaEPA> exactly zach
[21:47] <Zach> sadam bombs his own people
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> well that's just like the munich conference (i thin that was it) when the european nations divided up africa into colonies without people there from africa
[21:47] <CRUSYWiz> why can't everuyone just co-exist peacefully
[21:47] <PaigeNerusy> I was talking to my friend in Israel and he's going into the army next year- iy's very exciting and very scary but he knows our perspective well and I'm sure he can do soemthing!
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> it just wouldn't work
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[21:47] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> yeah well we got his nuclear plant
[21:48] <Zach> lol
[21:48] <Zach> good thing too
[21:48] <PaigeNerusy> (I'm sure people know him- Amitai)
[21:48] <BigNides> if we get rid of arafat then hopefully the palestinians will fight amongst themselves and leave the Israelis alone while they fight for power
[21:48] <Zach> although the french weren't to happy bout that
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[21:48] <AriellaEPA> i cant belive how they turned arafat into a hero for hiding his in office building
[21:48] <Zach> ok what palestinians?
[21:48] <AriellaEPA> NO BIG NIDES!
[21:48] <Zach> palestinians didn't exist till 67
[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> well he's the underdog, and americans always love the underdog
[21:48] <Zach> you mean displaced arab refugees?
[21:48] <AriellaEPA> if we get rid of arafat we may get a worse leader for the palestinians
[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> and technically, jordan is the palestinian state
[21:48] <PaigeNerusy> i udnerstand how arafat has some control over the terrorists but honestly- even if he is gone- they won't stop[
[21:48] <Jeff_Bernstein> zach thats not true
[21:49] <Zach> oh jeffy....
[21:49] <CRUSYWiz> why doesn';t bush do something?
[21:49] <Zara-SWUSY> bye
[21:49] <Jeff_Bernstein> if you're thinking of the PLO (even tho that was formed in '67)
[21:49] <Zach> how i love you
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[21:49] <AriellaEPA> its true.good job jeffy
[21:49] <AriellaEPA> CUZ BUSH IS AN IDIOT
[21:49] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> they made a person who blew himself up at a seder in Netanya a hero. of course their hypocrite of a leader looks like a hero
[21:49] <PaigeNerusy> Bush is a stupid head!
[21:49] <Zach> so when was the palestinian movement started jeffy?
[21:49] <Zach> Bush is better than Gore'd be
[21:49] <CRUSYWiz> obviously he is, but still
[21:49] <CRUSYWiz> not sure
[21:49] <Zach> Gore'd have given them all of israel by now
[21:49] <BigNides> if my president was as dumb as bush id leave the country
[21:49] <jmo> i think sadly that the main thing for palestinians right now is right or return and until the palestinians realize that that isnt feasable there isnt gonna be much peace in israel
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> well bush has the problem that he can't piss off the arabs or else they won't sell us oil
[21:49] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> bush is still to involved in the afghanistan stuff, even though its not that public anymore
[21:49] <AriellaEPA> listen.....a little kid showed up to a palestinian bday party as a SUCUIDE BOIMBER
[21:49] <Jeff_Bernstein> nider, you mean PM :)
[21:49] <PaigeNerusy> I don't think so- Gore at least repects us
[21:49] <Zach> why do they want return
[21:50] <Zach> they never should've left
[21:50] <BigNides> ya, well, we dont have a president, so we're set
[21:50] <Zach> they'd be full israeli citizens by now
[21:50] <BigNides> thats what makes canada so great
[21:50] <jmo> even so they will use it against israel
[21:50] <Zach> the arabs told them to leave
[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> yeah they really screwed up in '47 and '48, didn't they?
[21:50] <Zach> so they left
[21:50] <AriellaEPA> yeah zach
[21:50] <Zach> now they want it back
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[21:50] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> and israel wasn't swept into the sea
[21:50] <CRUSYWiz> we won't give our land back
[21:50] <Zach> of course
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[21:50] <emily_sowalsky> (dont hate me jason) does anyone here have robbie raphael's cell phone number?
[21:50] <Jeff_Bernstein> i think theres too much for us to argue about
[21:50] <CRUSYWiz> we will always have it
[21:50] <AriellaEPA> well wehave it so tough
[21:50] <Zach> it was a dessert when they left
[21:50] <Zach> and now it's a the lushest place in the mid east
[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> hahhhahahahahahaha@emily
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[21:51] <AriellaEPA> right crusy
[21:51] <Zach> which might explain why they want it so badly
[21:51] <Jeff_Bernstein> plus i think for us to try and come up with a viable peace plan for the whole conflict is ridiculous
[21:51] <CRUSYWiz> without the chalutzim israel would be crap now
[21:51] <jmo> i agree with u zach but a lot of palestinians dont think that way
[21:51] <PaigeNerusy> oh emily- u rock tha house
[21:51] <AriellaEPA> it is jeff
[21:51] <Zach> palestinians don't think
[21:51] <Jeff_Bernstein> instead, lets talk about what WE CAN DO to help ISRAEL!!!!
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> yes
[21:51] <AriellaEPA> YES
[21:51] <Zach> if they thought would they be blowing themselves up?
[21:51] <BigNides> sure, let the jews fix up the land and steal it back
[21:51] <AriellaEPA> AMEN
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> listen to jeff, you must!
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[21:51] <AriellaEPA> right jason
[21:51] <Jeff_Bernstein> thanks stag :)
[21:51] <jmo> lets not say that all palestinians think the same it isnt fair
[21:52] <dmgoldber> how do we project all of our passionate feelings about Israel?
[21:52] <Zach> true
[21:52] <Zach> very true
[21:52] <BigNides> its close enuf to fair
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> we do programs that are very visible
[21:52] <Zach> i'm dispassionate about israel
[21:52] <dmgoldber> Nobody has said anything about newspapers and magazines
[21:52] <AriellaEPA> write letters
[21:52] <Jeff_Bernstein> oh no zach
[21:52] <CRUSYWiz> media screws up everything
[21:52] <Zach> i've never been ther
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> we can submit articles to magazines
[21:52] <Zach> i have family and friends there
[21:52] <AriellaEPA> you can send emails to the president to powell whoever
[21:52] <Zach> i have no connection to the land
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[21:52] <CRUSYWiz> they twist the truth
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[21:52] <Zach> for 2000 years we havne't had it
[21:52] <CRUSYWiz> bias reprots
[21:52] <Zach> and we lasted
[21:52] <Jeff_Bernstein> you dont have to have been to israel or even live in israel to be a ZIONIST
[21:52] <dmgoldber> it is very important to tell the media about facts, and what is going on
[21:52] <Zach> we don't need it
[21:52] <Zach> i'm not a zionist
[21:52] <AriellaEPA> zach your a jew!of course you have a connection to the land
[21:52] <koy> Hi
[21:52] <CRUSYWiz> we tell them fatcs but they report it in a bad way
[21:52] <Jeff_Bernstein> zach how can you say that
[21:52] <Yair_Goldberg_of_CRUSY> the president? bush or chenney
[21:53] <Zach> i don't equate zionism with racism
[21:53] <Public_Enemy_1> hello everyone
[21:53] <Zach> i odn't have a problem with zionism
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> well
[21:53] <Jeff_Bernstein> WE DONT NEED IT?????
[21:53] <Zach> sure i'd like to visit
[21:53] <koy> Good morning
[21:53] <AriellaEPA> WE DO NEED IT
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