Chat Archive: 2/26/2002

This chat was run on February 26, 2002 from 9 PM EST to 11 PM EST. The topic was: Is the idolisation of sports and media stars a sad reflection on the direction of society?

Session Start: Tue Feb 26 20:18:01 2002
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[20:22] <Jason_Lustig> hey rob
[20:22] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hey
[20:22] <Robbie_Paskowitz> starting at 9?
[20:22] <Jason_Lustig> yea
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[20:24] <Jason_Lustig> hi
[20:24] <Jason_Goldman> hey
[20:24] <Jason_Goldman> im back
[20:24] <Jason_Lustig> yeah
[20:24] <Jason_Lustig> the chat starts at 9, feel free to hang out until then
[20:24] <Jason_Goldman> i will
[20:25] <Jason_Lustig> cool
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[20:27] <Jason_Lustig> haha, having fun with the "/nick" command? :D
[20:27] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> yea!
[20:27] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i know theres another Jason Goldman on the west coast, so i wont to be known which i am
[20:28] <Jason_Lustig> there is?
[20:28] <Jason_Lustig> haha, that would be funny if he showed up too... three jasons... it would be nuts...
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[20:28] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> yea, we started chatting after i noticed Jason Goldman writtingan email to the international listserv and it wasnt me, i thought i wrote one but didnt remember
[20:28] <JasonLustigTzafon> that's awesome
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[20:30] <Jason_Lustig> were you at IC?
[20:31] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> no, my brother was though, im planning on going next year, i couldnt go cuz i was working a hard shift, and they couldnt let me off
[20:31] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> and if i cut work they fire ppl
[20:31] <Jason_Lustig> that sucks
[20:32] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> yea, my brother got me a pin for the next one, so that'll be cool that i have it already, it has a camel on it
[20:32] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, its going to be amazing...
[20:33] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> so its in florida, and idea what city?
[20:33] <Jason_Lustig> orlando
[20:33] <Jason_Lustig> we're at the disney hyatt! :)
[20:33] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> did we rent it out or something?
[20:33] <Jason_Lustig> most of it, i think... i don't know
[20:33] <Robbie_Paskowitz> i thought there was some deal with USY and marriot park?
[20:34] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> lol, seems kinda funny if usy had the entire run of disney
[20:34] <Jason_Lustig> i have no idea, maybe it's a mariot but it's the disney resort...
[20:36] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> so i wasnt here last time we had a chat, about how many ppl showed up?
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> there were a whole bunch
[20:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> 20+ at some points i think
[20:36] <Jason_Lustig> not all here at the same time, though... i think at the most we had 15 people here who were actually chatting
[20:37] <Jason_Lustig> yeah we had 20+ but not all of them were chatting
[20:37] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i wouldn expect that everyone that came would be active
[20:37] <Jason_Lustig> no... some of them just came and listened
[20:37] <Jason_Lustig> it would be cool if everyone who came was active, though...
[20:38] <Robbie_Paskowitz> but it would/could get rather hectic
[20:38] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, i guess it would
[20:38] <Jason_Lustig> but it would be cool
[20:38] <Jason_Lustig> though you might have to wait to make your point though, since so many people would be wanting to say things...
[20:38] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> before i realized reality, i figured that out of all of usy, more ppl would come
[20:39] <Jason_Lustig> well, a lot of people come but not all at the same time
[20:39] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> right
[20:46] <Jason_Lustig> hmm... so people should show up soon...
[20:49] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> hopefully...
[20:50] <Jason_Lustig> yes... hopefully...
[20:51] <Jason_Lustig> thoguh it doesnt start for 10 mins so people might actually be coming on time...
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[20:52] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> well acording to my clock, which is from Windows Xp, is synchronized with time.nist.gov, says we have less than a minute left, not that that means my clocks right and urs isnt though
[20:53] <Jason_Lustig> well, mine is somewhat slow
[20:53] <Jason_Lustig> hi Nachick!
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[20:54] <Jason_Lustig> hi there...
[20:54] <Deutsch> Hello.
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[20:54] <Jason_Lustig> well, let's wait a minute or two and we can get started...
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[20:55] <Jason_Lustig> just a minute now... im all your friends to come so we can get started, ok? :D
[20:55] <PamNewmanCHUSY> good evening!
[20:56] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> sure
[20:56] <dMohrer> shoudnt there be hundreds of usyers?
[20:56] <Jason_Lustig> there **should**...
[20:56] <dMohrer> this is pretty sad
[20:56] <Jason_Lustig> though really what ussually happens is that a lot of people come but not all at once
[20:56] <Robbie_Paskowitz> dMohrer: it should pick up soon
[20:56] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> emily should be in soon
[20:56] <PamNewmanCHUSY> i've never done a USY chat before...hmmm
[20:56] <dMohrer> how many of these have we had?
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[20:56] <Jason_Lustig> this is the second one this year
[20:57] <Jason_Lustig> the first one was two weeks ago, it was really cool... there wer a lot of people
[20:57] <emily_sowalsky> yeah it was awesome
[20:57] <emily_sowalsky> hi everyone
[20:58] <PamNewmanCHUSY> good evening to all
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[20:58] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> Emily, Jeremy GOldman says hi
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[20:58] <emily_sowalsky> hi jeremy
[20:58] <Jason_Lustig> first, let me say that if you want to have a private conversation that's ok as long as you do it **privately**
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[20:58] <Jason_Lustig> i.e. with a private message command
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[20:59] <tans86> paskie!
[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> it's real easy, just do "/msg (the person's name) (your message)" without the quotes or parens
[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> anyway...
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[20:59] <Jason_Lustig> so, what do you guys think? first, do people idolise sports and media stars in the first place?
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[21:00] <Robbie_Paskowitz> of course...
[21:00] <emily_sowalsky> i do
[21:00] <Robbie_Paskowitz> it's quite obvious in our society
[21:00] <tans86> hi amanda!
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[21:00] <dMohrer> yeah
[21:01] <Jason_Lustig> so then... do you think that it is a bad thing for our society?
[21:01] <tans86> um....big words....a bit of help here?
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[21:01] <Jason_Lustig> it certainly puts a lot of people in the position of role models when they might not be very good ones...
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[21:01] <dMohrer> yeah, but this shouldnt be a personal chat....IM me TheBrew516
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[21:01] <Robbie_Paskowitz> i think its ok t oa certain extent, but who can draw a line, andwhere?
[21:01] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> alrite
[21:01] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> k
[21:01] <emily_sowalsky> such as who?
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[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> well, some sports stars, they get themselves into trouble...
[21:02] <tans86> sean....get a new nickname
[21:02] <Jason_Lustig> same with a lot of other people who are in the spotlight
[21:02] <Sean_CDN4LF> Why?
[21:02] <emily_sowalsky> but people choose who they idolize
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[21:03] <emily_sowalsky> and they can base it not only on people's accomplishments but on character as well
[21:03] <Robbie_Paskowitz> but we are bombarded with figures, not just in the sports they play, but then in comercials and so on
[21:03] <Jason_Lustig> some people just idolise someone and even when they do something bad they continue to idolise them
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[21:04] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> one of the bad things is that people idolise because they thing other people do to, which cause a chain reaction
[21:04] <Jason_Lustig> it's mass hysteria... ;)
[21:04] <Guest96696> Hi guys! what's the topic?
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[21:04] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> who r u guest?
[21:04] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> its at the top of the wcreen
[21:05] <tans86> not always...there was hysteria in canada about the hockey, but it was because people were happy - not just cause everyone else was happy
[21:05] <Jason_Lustig> that was a different kind of hysteria, i think...
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[21:05] <AtwonAndrew> Hi all.
[21:05] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> hi andrew
[21:05] <tans86> ya...yonge street was mobbed...it was soo cool!
[21:05] <emily_sowalsky> yonge street?
[21:05] <tans86> biggest street in canada
[21:06] <emily_sowalsky> gotcha
[21:06] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yeah..
[21:06] <tans86> it's a 2 minute walk form my house...
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[21:06] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, but that's not the same as idolising sports figures
[21:06] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> 0,10wow
[21:06] <Jason_Lustig> everyone was just celebrating...
[21:06] <tans86> Mara!
[21:06] <emily_sowalsky> so that was positive idolisation
[21:06] <Robbie_Paskowitz> tans86: it's a 2 min walk from everyone's house..hehe
[21:06] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ,10arent u just special
[21:06] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lol
[21:06] <mbSKI> hi
[21:06] <tans86> paskie, only if they live in t.o.
[21:07] <Robbie_Paskowitz> it stretches all the way through the province...
[21:07] <emily_sowalsky> toronto?
[21:07] <tans86> yup
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[21:07] <Jason_Lustig> i guess it's some big street in canada where people were partying after the hockey game, right?
[21:07] <tans86> hence, the longest street in the world...
[21:07] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL>
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[21:07] <tans86> ya... they were dancing in the street drunk...it was funny
[21:07] <Robbie_Paskowitz> quite
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[21:08] <Jason_Lustig> anyway, back on topic...
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[21:08] <PamNewmanCHUSY> i do think sports "starts" receive more attention than the hard citizens that work tremendous hours to basically "run" this country
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[21:08] <tans86> Jason, what did I tell you about booting people?
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[21:08] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> hey!
[21:08] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> u booted me:(
[21:08] <Guest71147> Hey!
[21:08] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i didnt say neting calm urself
[21:09] <Jason_Lustig> anyway...
[21:09] <emily_sowalsky> so sports are more important than politics?
[21:09] <emily_sowalsky> or are seen as more important?
[21:09] <Robbie_Paskowitz> this olympics sports and politics mixed, for example, russia...
[21:09] <tans86> politics suck...sports are fun!
[21:09] <Jason_Lustig> sometimes they get mixed up though
[21:09] <tans86> how so?
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[21:09] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> its because peoples ideas of a role model is not someone that deals with politics, because they feel that politics are a thing of there own, while sports can be seen more, rather than government meetings, which may be private, so they know more about it
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[21:10] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i agree w/jason
[21:10] <kaiou_serena> Hey guys
[21:10] <PamNewmanCHUSY> like i said....people who practice their sports gain millions while our politicians, teachers and bus drivers sometimes receive minimum wage, or something similar.
[21:10] <AtwonAndrew> Hello.
[21:10] <Robbie_Paskowitz> russia's lower parlement(chamber of commones in canada, not sure hwat in USA) voted on olympic topics....
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[21:10] <Robbie_Paskowitz> sometimes one won't work without the other(usally sports not working)
[21:10] <Jason_Lustig> sometimes you need politicians to organize the sports... example the olympics
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[21:11] <Robbie_Paskowitz> especially thisyear with added security risks
[21:11] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> but the politicians are as recognized as much
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[21:11] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> even though they are more this year, still not as much
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[21:11] <Guest71147> Yes. i think that athletes should not have to worry about anything else aside from their performance
[21:11] <tans86> and not doing drugs...
[21:11] <Robbie_Paskowitz> the media shows what the people want, i nour society, no one wants the politicians bio
[21:12] <Guest71147> right
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[21:12] <tans86> cause politicians are booooring!
[21:12] <PamNewmanCHUSY> or exposint themselves when they know they have younger people who adore them
[21:12] <PamNewmanCHUSY> i.e. ms. spears herself...
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> but then also when sports figures do something bad... like drugs... it has an influence on kids
[21:12] <tans86> she's just a whore....nothing to do w/ sports
[21:12] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> britney is a whore...shes not a sport person
[21:12] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yeah what tan sed
[21:12] <Jason_Lustig> well, we're talking about sports people AND media people
[21:12] <Guest71147> Yes. the olympics has become more than just a way of bringing the world together
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[21:13] <PamNewmanCHUSY> is this discussion strictly about sport people?
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> o well then.
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i have someting 2 say
[21:13] <Jason_Lustig> no, it's about sports and media people, i.e. the "stars"
[21:13] <Robbie_Paskowitz> Guest71147: sometimes the olympics pushes countries apart
[21:13] <tans86> everybody listen to amanda!
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i personally kno little 9 year old girls who dress like hoochies b/c they LOVE britney spears
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its disgusting
[21:13] <kaiou_serena> That's a pitty.
[21:13] <tans86> ya...leave it to jersey...
[21:13] <PamNewmanCHUSY> proves my point.........i think they are idolized too much...
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they're gonna grow up 2 b little hoochies
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> what makes britney so special anyway?
[21:13] <kaiou_serena> They're too young to understand that they can be cool without following a star.
[21:13] <Guest71147> britney spears is the worst role model a child can have
[21:13] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> the fact that she's a living barbie or that her voice is fakke?
[21:14] <AtwonAndrew> Looks. WE base too much on looks.
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[21:14] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> no..SOCIETY does!
[21:14] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its not our fault.
[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> but society is a mass hysteria thing, again!
[21:14] <AtwonAndrew> we= society
[21:14] <kaiou_serena> we are part of society.
[21:14] <GabeB85> why do sport stars continue to get the "role model" treatment when they continue to screw it up. while most are role models some mess it up for everyone else. i.e. mike tyson, Ray Lewis, Ray Caruth
[21:14] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> o ok
[21:14] <kaiou_serena> yeah
[21:14] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> thats, true, we do base alot on looks, while her career is on her voice
[21:14] <Emster385> hi guys!
[21:14] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> also, for people more our own age...
[21:14] <emily_sowalsky> dont forget her new acting career
[21:14] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> J. Lo wears that dress
[21:14] <PamNewmanCHUSY> (her voice? or the computers?)
[21:14] <Jason_Lustig> she has an acting carreer?
[21:14] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> new movie
[21:14] <tans86> new movie out
[21:15] <Guest71147> Iit's true but sad, but a LOT is based on looks
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> that year @ prom SOOOOO many senior girls were wearin dresses just like that
[21:15] <Jason_Lustig> aah thats HORRIBLE...
[21:15] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i work at a movie theatre
[21:15] <Robbie_Paskowitz> seems like anyone who can get "famous" for one thing, tries to get known for several..
[21:15] <GabeB85> we the youth continue to make them out to stars when all they are is athletes whose personal lifes are screwed
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> the only reason she got the part of b/c of her name
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> she has no talent
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> shes fake
[21:15] <tans86> like barbie!
[21:15] <kaiou_serena> she needed some talent to get there.
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> her voice isnt hers and neither are her plastic boobs
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> shes a living breathing barbie
[21:15] <GabeB85> why are we talking about britnney spears again?
[21:15] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and thers just no way she loves justin
[21:15] <Guest71147> i'm sorry but is this britney or jlo were talking about?
[21:16] <Jason_Lustig> she needed LOOKS to get there... that's what the record companies care about, because that's what pre-teens will buy
[21:16] <GabeB85> huh?
[21:16] <PamNewmanCHUSY> what are the positive ones though?
[21:16] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> hollywood sed "this is what u do u love him and the media goes nuts"
[21:16] <Emster385> not that britner spears is my favorite person, but if the stars are so unimportant then why are we even wasting our time discussing them?
[21:16] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and they "loooooove " eachother now
[21:16] <AtwonAndrew> When it comes to movies we dont need to base it on personality do we? After all they alwasys pretend to be someone else.
[21:16] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its not wasting time
[21:16] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> it got a lot more action in this chat
[21:16] <Jason_Lustig> because they have a role model position for a lot of people and they don't live up to it
[21:16] <kaiou_serena> What does that tell us?
[21:16] <Guest71147> Stars are like our idols, sadly.
[21:16] <Jason_Lustig> exactly!
[21:17] <PamNewmanCHUSY> who are thegood stars?
[21:17] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its tru for everybody
[21:17] <Guest71147> we worship them more than politians and people who are actually helpful in society
[21:17] <GabeB85> and that is a big problem
[21:17] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> policitians are NOT helpful
[21:17] <Jason_Lustig> so then why do we idolise sports and media stars, when they really don't contribute much value giving to society than the real heroes like firefighters and teachers and doctors?
[21:17] <AtwonAndrew> Because we see them more, and they are "More interesting"
[21:17] <tans86> cause honestly, who wants to look up to politicians? they're boring, and ppl don't like them...why would we look up to them?
[21:17] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> im sorry but a man gettin his **** sucked by a fat girl ISNT helping us
[21:17] <kaiou_serena> Because they represetn our dreams
[21:17] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> sry if i offended nebody
[21:18] <GabeB85> because the sports stars are more glamorous and represent what people want in themselves
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> but is that really waht people want? to have no private life?
[21:18] <Guest71147> Yes but their images are not realistic
[21:18] <PamNewmanCHUSY> better for the adverstising industry
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> because that's the life of a star... everything is public
[21:18] <Robbie_Paskowitz> GabeB85: which truely make it idolization
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> well when u become famous that s what happens
[21:18] <kaiou_serena> They don't see that side of it, only the glamour, the fame.
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> u cant do nething secretly
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> brandy did it tho
[21:18] <Jason_Lustig> brandy?
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> she hid her marraige 4 a year
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> now shes pregnant
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> cant hide that
[21:18] <tans86> Lustig, boy, get w/ the program!
[21:18] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i kno rite
[21:19] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> tans ur funny who r u? (sry sry it wont happen again)
[21:19] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> o, if u wanna talk bad talk enrique iglacious, he's a pedofile.
[21:19] <Jason_Lustig> so then why dont people realize that it's not realistic? are people that dumb that they think that it's all glamour and fame and everything is just peachy?
[21:19] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yes
[21:19] <kaiou_serena> No
[21:19] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i mean cumon what kinda ? is that
[21:19] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> o yeah sry i 4got
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[21:19] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> i dont know if anyone noticed but alot of singers have gottin into movies latley, britney spears, mandy moores, alyaah, hence proving that idolizing is becoming more popular, and that one of the reasons it happens is because they are givin a chance.
[21:19] <tans86> a'ok!
[21:20] <Guest71147> people get sucked into it. even if they try not to it's all around us
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lustig....no matter who u ru like sum celeb.
[21:20] <Jason_Lustig> some people dont get sucked into it
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> everybody wants 2 b one
[21:20] <Deb_Shain> ooooh hi everyone
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> BUT nobody knows that ull hate it once u get ur wish
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> u have NO provate live!
[21:20] <tans86> example....Amanda, which celebrity would you like to be like?
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> privte*
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> hahah
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> britney baby!!
[21:20] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> JKJKJK
[21:20] <Guest71147> I realize not everyone gets sucked into it
[21:20] <Emster385> people love gossip, thats what keeps these people in the business
[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yes
[21:21] <emily_sowalsky> tabloids
[21:21] <Deb_Shain> hey everyone, wattup
[21:21] <Guest71147> some people know better
[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> there are magazines that are complete bullshit
[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> literally
[21:21] <Jason_Lustig> but we all know that, what about everyone else! if we know that we dont want to have no private life, then we know we dont want this... what about everyone else who wants that kind of life?
[21:21] <AtwonAndrew> Hi deb.
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[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its all about rumors n gossib
[21:21] <Emster385> how manyof you guys are honestly not attracted to britney spears or any of those other girls
[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thers not one peice of fact in there
[21:21] <emily_sowalsky> lashon hara
[21:21] <Deb_Shain> hey atwon, where u from?
[21:21] <tans86> I'm not!
[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ura gurl
[21:21] <tans86> good call
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[21:21] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lol
[21:22] <Emster385> when i said guys i meant non females! :)
[21:22] <Deb_Shain> mmmmmmmk
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> figured
[21:22] <tans86> ooh...Amanda, we should be careful...Jason'll boot us!
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> britney spears is fake, but guyz dont care. they have no chance w/her neway u kno?
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> grrrr 2 him:(
[21:22] <tans86> lol
[21:22] <Guest71147> but about the olympics, wouldn't you think that the better looking ones would become more famous?
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but im participating! so he cant
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> of course
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they'd get on more cereal boxes
[21:22] <Jason_Lustig> in the olympics at least you cant get on the team just by looking good...
[21:22] <Robbie_Paskowitz> aheem, i personaly need a little more "depth" then someone with just good looks
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and in more commercials
[21:22] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> just like the 1st cast of survivor
[21:23] <Deb_Shain> yea cool
[21:23] <kaiou_serena> Some do, and others become popular for actual talent. Then tnhey are beautified later because of it. They go hand in hand.
[21:23] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> only the hott guy n all the lil skinny gurls got 2 b on tv
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[21:23] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> rich the gay one didnt
[21:23] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> b/c he was gay
[21:23] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its all about society and the role they play and how society SUX
[21:23] <tans86> society DOES suck...
[21:23] <Guest71147> Well if they chose ALL perfect looking people, everyone would think it was too fake
[21:23] <tans86> or maybe just american society....I dunno...
[21:23] <Jason_Lustig> well, i'm personally of the opinion that the big companies that create content for society try to spoonfeed us all crap...
[21:23] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> its like we said, even though the politicians did more for the olimpics than we realize, more than any other year, the athletes still got just as much credit for it as always, which left the politicians out
[21:23] <Guest71147> i mean it's already fake, but ...
[21:23] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but then there r the people who arent fake
[21:24] <Robbie_Paskowitz> there is no way to escape society, only ways to change it...
[21:24] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but get yelled @ neway
[21:24] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> b/c they look fake
[21:24] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> sum people r just blessed w/very nice bodies/ face
[21:24] <tans86> like me?
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[21:24] <Robbie_Paskowitz> tans86: of course like you...
[21:24] <tans86> jokes...
[21:24] <tans86> luv ya paskie!
[21:24] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hehe
[21:24] <Emster385> you have to admit, so much revolves around the way people look. lots of times more sttractive people get jobs that deal with people, because companies want to have an attractive look... it isn't fair, but its the way the world works
[21:24] <Jason_Lustig> its because people associate good things with people who are attractive
[21:24] <kaiou_serena> "Attractive" is costantly changing though.
[21:24] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> nobody in this room can HONESTLY say they dont care AT ALL about the ir looks
[21:25] <tans86> but sometimes it's not good to be attractive...
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[21:25] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> EVERYBODY cares a LITTLE
[21:25] <AtwonAndrew> Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. ----Oscar Wilde
[21:25] <Robbie_Paskowitz> DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL: our society demands of us, to present ourselves
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> nobody wants to look like a schlump...
[21:25] <Guest71147> Of course people care and media shouldn't stop you
[21:25] <Jason_Lustig> but there's tons of media pressure to look good
[21:25] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats tru
[21:25] <Guest71147> it's just that it sometimes goes overboard and puts down your self esteem
[21:26] <AtwonAndrew> There is a difference between caring and taking it toofar.
[21:26] <kaiou_serena> A big difference.
[21:26] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> alot of times how u look affects alot, for instance i recently heard that alot of the customers that go to Marie Lous arent going for the coffee, they go for the girls that serv them, and that its how they look that make them so good
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[21:26] <tans86> but nobody should want to look like barbie... if she was a real person with those proportions, she wouldn't be able to stand up straight
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[21:26] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i wanna look like barbie
[21:26] <kaiou_serena> You know, they've changd her propeortions, recently, to be a little more realistic.
[21:26] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> haha
[21:26] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yes
[21:26] <Jason_Lustig> did they really?
[21:26] <Emster385> but in a relationship, is physical attraction important, or is the person more important? i have never met anyone who was dating someone and didn't care AT ALL about looks, even a tiny bit
[21:26] <Robbie_Paskowitz> tans86: in the last few years, the mattel corp. faced with women rights groups had to "change the proportions'
[21:26] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> wow i kno a lot about that
[21:26] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its tru
[21:26] <kaiou_serena> Yeah.
[21:27] <tans86> amanda, you already do look like her :-)
[21:27] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they took her down from a DD 2 a C b/c girls were like kiling themselves 2 look like her
[21:27] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> awwww
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[21:27] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> like from personal experience, ive been called britney wanna b
[21:27] <tans86> eew
[21:27] <Guest71147> people are attracted to someone for their looks, personality... it's all part of the package
[21:27] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its not my fault...
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> for those of you who are "guest_____", use "/nick (your new name)" (without quotes) to change your name
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[21:27] <Westcoaster> physical attractio nis more important but more importantly, an emotional connection is most important
[21:27] <Westcoaster> when ya get old and have lots of wrinkles, is your husband gonna divorce you?
[21:27] <Jason_Lustig> it depends on what the relationship started as...
[21:28] <Guest71147> nick(East)
[21:28] <Guest71147> what?
[21:28] <tans86> "when you get old and start losing your hair, can you tell me who will still care?"- Hanson
[21:28] <Jason_Lustig> if it was just physical attraction then he might do it but if you actually care about the person then no
[21:28] <Westcoaster> true, but it's up to us to determine how we present ourselves
[21:28] <Robbie_Paskowitz> put the "/"
[21:28] <Robbie_Paskowitz> and no "( )"
[21:28] <Westcoaster> are we pieces of meat to be taken advantages or precious souls to be had only by a special person?
[21:28] <kaiou_serena> The divorce rate is up to 51%. I guess we know why.
[21:28] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> wow ur deep west
[21:28] <tans86> pieces of meat!
[21:28] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> wait, we do?
[21:29] <Westcoaster> me deep west?
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lol yes...
[21:29] <Guest71147> for example, i just got off the phone with this really hot guy, but like he was so monotone and had not enthusiasm so i'm not really that attracted to him
[21:29] <Westcoaster> just north cali
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> no i sed ur deep west
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> b/c u just talked in deeeep words....
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i guess lol
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, the fact is that a lot of attractive people don't have an interesting presonality...
[21:29] <tans86> some do tho!
[21:29] <Westcoaster> well, thats not necessairly a fact
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> not most, but a large number...
[21:29] <Guest71147> not necessarily
[21:29] <Jason_Lustig> i didnt say it was a fact!
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> im ugly n im funny
[21:29] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> it works
[21:30] <Guest71147> it totally depends on the person
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> i said that it was some of them... same the other way too
[21:30] <Jason_Lustig> exactly
[21:30] <Westcoaster> maybe the are so worried abou thow society wants them to act that they fail to have their own mind
[21:30] <AtwonAndrew> It depends on your def. of "good looking"
[21:30] <tans86> yay amanda!
[21:30] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> im not especially gorgeous, but im funny n nice 2 people
[21:30] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> u gotta respect that
[21:30] <tans86> I do@
[21:30] <Westcoaster> definatley
[21:30] <tans86> !
[21:30] <AtwonAndrew> nick/AtownAndrew
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[21:30] <Guest71147> i think personality dominates over looks
[21:30] <Westcoaster> adn becausde you respet it yoruself, then a guy you ar with shoudl respect it too
[21:30] <Westcoaster> and if he doesnt, he's not worth having
[21:30] <tans86> guys are stupid
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[21:31] <Robbie_Paskowitz> ahem?
[21:31] <Westcoaster> not necessiarly
[21:31] <Westcoaster> lol
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> in all honestly, when u first meet a person, u go by l;ooks
[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> um...
[21:31] <tans86> no offesne to boys...but seriously...
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but u cant help it
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> b/c thats all u c
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> their looks
[21:31] <Guest71147> Of course first impression is looks
[21:31] <Westcoaster> Ill tell ya what, when i fin a nice jewish guy, ill convince you tey're not stupid
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> when u dont kno anything about a person
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[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> looks is a first inpression
[21:31] <Guest71147> but then you get a second impression
[21:31] <Robbie_Paskowitz> but we are also very stereotypical
[21:31] <Meg_Ryan> on tv you arent even meeting them
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats tru
[21:31] <Westcoaster> you only allow the first impression to stick if that's all you want to see of the person
[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> you dont really know the personality of a celebrity
[21:31] <tans86> but they're still fun to look at!
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ur just seeing RELE RELE plastic but big boobs
[21:31] <AtownAndrew> Looks are a frist impression, but why do we have to go with first impressions?
[21:31] <Jason_Lustig> because they are always behind the mask of being a celebrity
[21:31] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and gagging over them
[21:31] <Robbie_Paskowitz> tans86: but what does looking acheive for you?
[21:32] <tans86> paskie.....don't go there
[21:32] <Westcoaster> if you want to convince yourself that this guy wil make a good boyfriend bc hes cute but then realize he has no personality, you migh tkid yourself into believing that he's a good boyfriend bc he's pretty but fail to realize that you're theone that's upholding th steryotype
[21:32] <JasonGoldmanNERUSY> because the first impression is the first thing u have to go by, and could decide if u want a second impression
[21:32] <Robbie_Paskowitz> go where? i'm keeping this clean....if you sit and stare, how does that benefit anyone?
[21:32] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> here ill say it nicely
[21:32] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> erection, pleasure
[21:32] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> being a guy u should kno that
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> keep talking ....
[21:33] <Guest71147> "Nick (East)"
[21:33] <tans86> thanx amanda! subtlety really works w/ guys!
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> i guess that for a lot of people, they need to sift through people...
[21:33] <Robbie_Paskowitz> so people are uhh "eye candy"? and nothing more?
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> so the way they sift through people is by looks
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> no
[21:33] <Westcoaster> i totally disagree
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> people on tv
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[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> actors
[21:33] <Jason_Lustig> so all the not-so-good-looking people get shafted
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> celebs
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats how WE (society ) view them
[21:33] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> as peices of meat and NOTHING more
[21:33] <Westcoaster> \if you go into a relationship looking for physical pleasure, then you'll get stukc with something that probably wont go any further
[21:34] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> britney spears mite have 6 PHD's
[21:34] <kaiou_serena> No emotional satisfaction
[21:34] <tans86> but she doesn't
[21:34] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> do we kno that? no b/c we kno shes got boobs and THATS it
[21:34] <Jason_Lustig> yeah if she had 6 phd's shed be doing something different...
[21:34] <kaiou_serena> We don't know that.
[21:34] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lol knowing her porbably not
[21:34] <Mike-NERUSY> i'm pretty sure she has zero Phds
[21:34] <Guest71147> I've met people who are absolutely great looking but you barely notice them until they open their mouth. Personality is mostly EVERYTHING
[21:34] <kaiou_serena> PErhaps she has a love of performing.
[21:34] <tans86> not neccessarily.... if she likes singing, let her sing!
[21:34] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ok it was just an example im sorry
[21:34] <Westcoaster> but if you go into a relationship with outgiving of yourself physically, including lettting it all hang out, until you have a solid foundation, the relationship has a stronger chance of emotional satisfactin
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[21:34] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> explain that west
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[21:35] <Guest71147> yes please west
[21:35] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> pleas
[21:35] <Westcoaster> well, i'm going to bring up th concept of tznuit, modesty
[21:35] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> e
[21:35] <Jason_Lustig> the thing is that getting to know someone takes TIME, looking at someone takes almost none...
[21:35] <tans86> BEN'S HERE!!!
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[21:35] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yes, britney has none of that
[21:35] <KShef> Emmy!!!
[21:35] <caplan> Hey tania
[21:35] <Guest71147> That is sooo true
[21:35] <Emster385> well, doesn't also depend on what a person is looking for?
[21:35] <tans86> hey ben!
[21:35] <kaiou_serena> I think it does.
[21:35] <Westcoaster> physical in a sense. .it;'s there for emotional too... if you dont give it all up in the first eye glance, then there's something waiting and even more important you can be sure that the guy doesnt want you because you'll make uout with him or bc you've got nice curves
[21:35] <Jason_Lustig> it depends on how much time someone has...
[21:35] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> every person, even street corner whores have SOME sense of morality
[21:35] <Guest71147> But after a decent conversation with someone you have a general idea of what the person is like
[21:36] <Emster385> KEREN! hey babe!
[21:36] <caplan> whats this chat all about tans
[21:36] <KShef> noah told me to come in, so im hrere!!
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[21:36] <emily_sowalsky> Do people idolise Michael Jordan because he is hot?
[21:36] <kaiou_serena> yay EPA
[21:36] <Guest71147> we're talking about looks, media and influences
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> no
[21:36] <Emster385> not always. if someone is looking for "play" they usually aren't so worried about personality
[21:36] <tans86> look at the top of the chat screen...and we can't talk off topic, or Jason will get mad at me..
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> people idolize him for a GOOD reson
[21:36] <caplan> thanks jason
[21:36] <jeremy_goldman> defitely not
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> reason
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> b/c he's extremely successful
[21:36] <Guest71147> MIchael Jordan? common i can think up a hotter athlet
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and VERY good @ what he does
[21:36] <Robbie_Paskowitz> DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL: being good at a sport is a "good' reason?
[21:36] <Jason_Lustig> jordan is VERY good at basketball
[21:36] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats what i would want 2 b known 4
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[21:37] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> why do u keep putting my name after urz robbie?
[21:37] <swimgirl> hi i just joined
[21:37] <emily_sowalsky> so is he a minority among "stars?"
[21:37] <tans86> cause paskie's slllooowww....
[21:37] <Jason_Lustig> if you are good then that is a good reason to be idolised by people, as long as you fill the role model position well
[21:37] <Robbie_Paskowitz> to "draw" your attention
[21:37] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ooo ok
[21:37] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its not a good reason
[21:37] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ur rite
[21:37] <Emster385> iare you in here noah?
[21:37] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but its better than being known b/c of the size of ur breasts
[21:37] <Westcoaster> i gg it's been nice to hear all the opinions
[21:37] <Guest71147> for sure
[21:37] <Westcoaster> exactly!
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[21:37] <kaiou_serena> I'm sure that's not what she was going for when she first started out.
[21:37] <Robbie_Paskowitz> my breasts aren't large!
[21:37] <Guest71147> what's up with that anyways?
[21:38] <tans86> you're a boy!
[21:38] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> would u rather b known 4 "worlds biggest penis" or "worlds greatest athlete"
[21:38] <Emster385> michael jordon also promoted sweatshops by putting his name on nike shoes
[21:38] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hmm...
[21:38] <tans86> neither....it's paskie!
[21:38] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> exactly
[21:38] <Westcoaster> (for whoever was wondering, this is Ilana from NFUSY)
[21:38] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> c my point who the (((( is pasky???
[21:38] <Jason_Lustig> but was he directly supporting sweatshops?
[21:38] <caplan> I;m sure most people would rather the second....
[21:38] <Robbie_Paskowitz> it's me...
[21:38] <tans86> paskowitz...paskie...
[21:38] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> um ok
[21:38] <Robbie_Paskowitz> tans86: how did that one get started anyways?
[21:38] <Guest71147> Didn't Kathie Lee also support sweat shops???
[21:38] <tans86> just easier to say....
[21:38] <emily_sowalsky> I dont think he did nike commercials to support sweat shops
[21:39] <caplan> not necisarily intentionally
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> he did it for the money... he wasnt thinking about child labor
[21:39] <jeremy_goldman> me neither
[21:39] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> neway point is, being an athlete is a MUCH highter achievement than having surgically implanted boobs. thats NOT an achievement!
[21:39] <caplan> many people get in it for the money without researching the company....
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[21:39] <caplan> they don;t care like us thoughtful USYers
[21:39] <tans86> or their agents make them do it...
[21:39] <Jason_Lustig> yes thats why people have to research stuff...
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[21:39] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> wow i've never sed this much in a chat b4
[21:39] <tans86> me neither!
[21:39] <Guest71147> How do i change my user name?
[21:39] <Robbie_Paskowitz> what deprived lives!
[21:39] <caplan> cause ECRUSY in da house
[21:40] <tans86> wahoo!
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[21:40] <Emster385> people can't control how they look, but they ca control how they act! yeah, but are those kids less important than money>
[21:40] <Your_new_nick> aaah!
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[21:40] <Mara> Hey Guys
[21:40] <tans86> hey Mara!
[21:40] <Guest71147> /nick East
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[21:40] <Guest80361> haha
[21:40] <Guest80361> brb guys
[21:40] <Guest71147> new_nick/East
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[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> but people dont become famous by how they act ussually
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[21:41] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> jason tell the how 2 change their names
[21:41] <kaiou_serena> That's not true
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[21:41] <emily_sowalsky> then how do they become famous?
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[21:41] <kaiou_serena> Comdeians and atheletes often don't go for image straight-away.
[21:41] <caplan> but for the love of it
[21:41] <MaraLapidus> Right. Back.
[21:41] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> comedians r awesome
[21:41] <tans86> there's a kid that lives near me...he's famous cause he helped stop child labour in mid-east countries...that made him famous by his actions...
[21:41] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and funny
[21:41] <Jason_Lustig> a lot of people get into it because they like it but get corrupted by money...
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[21:42] <caplan> money is very corruptive... i thats a word
[21:42] <Guest71147> Did you ever notice that people like celine dion aren't as pretty as some actors. talent is more important
[21:42] <leej84> whats up em
[21:42] <caplan> * if
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[21:42] <kaiou_serena> You have to be strong enough to resist and remember why your there.
[21:42] <tans86> celine's anorexic
[21:42] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> 6 year olds get allowance nowadays
[21:42] <caplan> b ut who lies celine
[21:42] <Robbie_Paskowitz> but why idolize over talent?
[21:42] <Jason_Lustig> but would they hire a really really good actor if they were ugly?
[21:42] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> WHAT DO THEY SPEND IT ON?!?!
[21:42] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> gum?
[21:42] <Guest71147> sorry, bad example
[21:42] <Emster385> its more important to respect people than have money, and every one knows that, no matter how rich or famous or whatever
[21:42] <caplan> gum
[21:42] <Robbie_Paskowitz> especially if the talent has no "real-world" uses
[21:42] <caplan> or drugs.... 6 year olds are ghetto these days
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lol
[21:43] <tans86> only in hamilton, ben
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> rele......
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> dont think so
[21:43] <Jason_Lustig> on topic, people! ;)
[21:43] <leej84> deb shain is sexy
[21:43] <tans86> Jason....shh!
[21:43] <Guest71147> Did you ever notice that children seem to grow up so much faster than we did???
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[21:43] <MaraLapidus> lol
[21:43] <caplan> true dat....
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i 4 one am glad that madonna has that HUGE gap between her teeth!!!!!!!
[21:43] <Jason_Lustig> i think it has to do with media
[21:43] <swimgirl> they def do
[21:43] <Jason_Lustig> or that its just nostalgia kicking in...
[21:43] <tans86> nice amanda!
[21:43] <MaraLapidus> So how is everyone?
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> she makes a point that beauty ISNT everything
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> cumon
[21:43] <kaiou_serena> Many of them, yes. Little girls wearing make up. I'm 16 and I almost never wear make-up!
[21:43] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats a good point
[21:43] <MaraLapidus> I am too off topic, Jason? ;)
[21:43] <caplan> all those shirts that say "sexy" and stuff.. I didn;t even know what sexy WAS at that age
[21:43] <Thebar> Mara BU?
[21:43] <Robbie_Paskowitz> me neither...
[21:44] <Emster385> wait, what are we saying about the real world?
[21:44] <Guest71179> i agree... the media has a terrible influence on people especially kids these days
[21:44] <Guest71147> Yeah like at 8 years old they want to be 16
[21:44] <MaraLapidus> what about BU?
[21:44] <Thebar> yes? no?
[21:44] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> not tru
[21:44] <caplan> its so backwards.... I WISH I was 8.....
[21:44] <Emster385> yes mara, get out of the chat room!
[21:44] <Robbie_Paskowitz> caplan: you are 8
[21:44] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> whats BU?
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[21:44] <MaraLapidus> oh! Hey Mike..I am not sure yet
[21:44] <Guest71147> When i was 12 i still played with dolls. kids today want to be older too soon. They NEED childhood!
[21:44] <Emster385> boston university?
[21:44] <Thebar> ah
[21:44] <Jason_Lustig> i think that we just didnt see all this stuff when we were younger
[21:44] <Thebar> keep me posted
[21:44] <MaraLapidus> Most likely
[21:44] <tans86> no you don't caplan! you wouldn't know me if you were 8!
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> im a freshman
[21:45] <MaraLapidus> If I get into Cornell, I'm not going to BU, but other than that, if I get into BU I will go there.
[21:45] <Guest71179> people chose models as their role models instead of people with talent or personality
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i am a perfect example of what ur talkin about
[21:45] <caplan> sure I would.. in a kinky 8 year old way
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i would give ANYthing 2 b able 2 drive
[21:45] <MaraLapidus> brb phone
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> ANYTHING
[21:45] <tans86> lol
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but if i got the oppurtunity 2 do it now
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i wouldnt
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its 2 scary
[21:45] <Guest71147> how old are u?
[21:45] <caplan> all the girls would think I was cute, and Id be smart enough (And horny enough) to apreciate it.... but enough of this tangent
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> give a little 10 year old 60 bux tell him 2 invest n he'll cry
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[21:45] <caplan> who me
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its the same idea
[21:45] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they wanna grow up
[21:46] <tans86> KEVIN!!!
[21:46] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> but give them the oppurtunity
[21:46] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and they wont
[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> they see us and idolise us
[21:46] <Deb_Shain> hiiiiiiiiii
[21:46] <Jason_Lustig> they want to be like us...
[21:46] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> guest71147 - i am 14
[21:46] <kaiou_serena> Have you noticeced that most kids go from pop to punk in a matter of 4 years?
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[21:46] <tans86> I want to be like me
[21:46] <kaiou_serena> because punk is "cool"
[21:46] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> can we not get into that?
[21:46] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hmm, most people i know never touch pop nor punk
[21:46] <Guest71179> how do i change my name from guest71179 to my actual name?
[21:46] <caplan> punk is pop with different style
[21:46] <MaraLapidus> log out Guest
[21:46] <caplan> its all the same
[21:46] <MaraLapidus> and then log back in
[21:47] <tans86> no it's not caplan!
[21:47] <Guest71147> Children's natural instincts are to have fun and be careless then we put images like britney spears in front of them and they have no choice but to buy into it
[21:47] <Guest71179> thanks!!
[21:47] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats not tru
[21:47] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they have a choice
[21:47] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they may b young but they arent idiots
[21:47] <Jason_Lustig> yeah but they dont know better
[21:47] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they CAN turn the channel
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[21:47] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> its not like they're disabled
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[21:47] <Thebar> they're easily influenced though
[21:47] <Guest66460> HEy thanks!!! I did it
[21:47] <tans86> oh ya...caplan....I saw your brother today...
[21:47] <Deb_Shain> hey all
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[21:47] <Guest66460> Oh never mind
[21:47] <Thebar> hi deb
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[21:47] <caplan> IT SO IS! like blink 182 and stuff.... look at punk in the 80's.. now THAT was punk. dressing and acting, and listening punk to get away from the mainstream. NOW, it IS the mainstream. unless you listen to underground punk....
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[21:47] <Deb_Shain> oooh is that u mike?
[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> that's it, they just grow up into more mainstream crap!
[21:48] <Thebar> ya think?
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> in 20 years
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[21:48] <tans86> not really crap...
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> they'll b listening 2 nothing
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> music wont b shit
[21:48] <Guest66460> <East>
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> it'll b like freakin books
[21:48] <kaiou_serena> Welcome back, Andrew.
[21:48] <Guest66460> why do I bother
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> who likes books?
[21:48] <caplan> is who mike
[21:48] <emily_sowalsky> thekids aren't disabled but people are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to influence children through advertising
[21:48] <AtownAndrew> Hi.
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[21:48] <caplan> he IS in chat....
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and by the way, technology is taking over america
[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> emily is right...
[21:48] <BigNides> im taking over america
[21:48] <caplan> tech not always a good thing
[21:48] <tans86> elise....you NEED a new name!
[21:48] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> i kno 10 year olds w/cell phones
[21:48] <Elise_ECRUSY> im back... with a real name this time
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[21:48] <Jason_Lustig> guys PLEASE stay on topic or i will kick you
[21:49] <tans86> Kevin, you live in canada!
[21:49] <caplan> hey elise
[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> and i bet almost everybody in this room has a cell phone
[21:49] <BigNides> EXACtly
[21:49] <Elise_ECRUSY> hey ben!
[21:49] <AlexEdelman> technology is not taking over America
[21:49] <kaiou_serena> I don't.
[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> yes it is
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> i dont have a cell phone
[21:49] <Deb_Shain> i'm out....time to read Huck Fin..then to sleep i go
[21:49] <Thebar> 2 actually
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> what does technology...
[21:49] <tans86> I luv nider!
[21:49] <Jason_Lustig> have to do with anything?
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[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> who cares im talkin
[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> we're all talking about one thing
[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> thats all that matters
[21:49] <emily_sowalsky> do you have cell phones because stars in the media do?
[21:49] <kaiou_serena> technology is new and coming so all the kids need to have the newest gizmo.
[21:49] <Robbie_Paskowitz> Is the idolisation of sports and media stars a sad reflection on the direction of society?
[21:49] <Elise_ECRUSY> hehe
[21:49] <kaiou_serena> everything becomes easy enough for anyone to work.
[21:49] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> lets tie it 2gether
[21:49] <Noah_Mencow> robbie...i think it is
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[21:50] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> if britney put her name on a motorola cell phone
[21:50] <Robbie_Paskowitz> hmm, i guess that's the shot answer
[21:50] <caplan> I definitly read the words huck fin the wrong way.... I was like " what the heck is hin"
[21:50] <Thebar> robbie, does society direct the idolization?
[21:50] <DiLLmAn_HaGaLiL> 100000000 's more people would buy it
[21:50] <AlexEdelman> we have cell phones because we all have nurotic Jewish parents who want to be able to talk to us at all times
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[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> not just that...
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[21:50] <Robbie_Paskowitz> it's an endless loop, with little change
[21:50] <tans86> Jason! get that stick out of your butt!
[21:50] <emily_sowalsky> wow KI
[21:50] <Easten> Did anyone see the new show "watching elli"? i mean that only got audience's attention because people like julia louis-dreyfus. i t has a horrible writer (her husband)
[21:50] <caplan> its not aloop... its a downward spiral
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[21:50] <JordanKiley> Hey all!
[21:50] <Jason_Lustig> can we pull out of it though
[21:50] <MaraLapidus> Control Freak?
[21:50] <Mark_NERUSY> emily whats up
[21:51] <caplan> I hope so.... but it doesn;t look hopefull
[21:51] <Deb_Shain> maaaaarrrrkkk hahahaha
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> so then how do we fix it?
[21:51] <Mark_NERUSY> has your bro told u bout his girl yet?
[21:51] <caplan> I beielve nostradamus (if you beleive that crap) predictied WWIII in 2003
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[21:51] <kaiou_serena> You can only put positive images in the media
[21:51] <kaiou_serena> and then what's "Positive"?
[21:51] <Jason_Lustig> but there are tons of bad influences in the media
[21:51] <Elise_ECRUSY> i thats not truew
[21:51] <BigNides> so whats the topic again?
[21:51] <Thebar> do you think your friends see it as a problem?
[21:51] <caplan> theres lots of negative
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[21:52] <Easten> How many of your were at formal?
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> there's a lot of negative influences, like drugs and sex and stuff... little kids see that
[21:52] <BigNides> the negative part is what makes ppl watch media
[21:52] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> and violence!
[21:52] <tans86> drugs? sex? where?
[21:52] <Elise_ECRUSY> there is a very weak screening process for stuff to enter the media
[21:52] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> i just did a whole report on violence in the media
[21:52] <Thebar> some parents don't let their children watch violent tihngs
[21:52] <caplan> never seen fat people on TV? no... its not emphasiszed as much as skinny people.. but it DOES exist
[21:52] <Thebar> others don't care
[21:52] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> that V chip thing is supposed 2 censor it out
[21:52] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> but it duznt
[21:52] <Thebar> that's a big deal
[21:52] <Noah_Mencow> i think its sad that many people choose their "heroes" or role models by how much they are showed on tv
[21:52] <caplan> many religeous people dont own TV's
[21:52] <Jason_Lustig> thats because automataic censorship software never works
[21:53] <Elise_ECRUSY> there are fat people in the media the problem is they are portreyed as the losers usually
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> y caplan?
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> yeah, does the fat person ever win on TV?
[21:53] <Easten> do u remember powerrangers? i remember babysitting for kids who would literally beat me up trying to act like them
[21:53] <caplan> y what?
[21:53] <JordanKiley> The world is screwed up... We say peace" in reality, then go home and turn on a violent show
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[21:53] <tans86> amanda - cause they always worry bout censoring stuff...so they don't bother
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> i agree
[21:53] <AtownAndrew> Negatives stick to us a lot easier then positives.
[21:53] <caplan> cuase we can shut it off when we want
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> o ok
[21:53] <kaiou_serena> It's hard to be peaceful in a violent world.
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> thats very tru
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> and thats very sad
[21:53] <JordanKiley> Yeah
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> we have so many violent influences
[21:53] <BigNides> and negatives r so much more fun!!
[21:53] <tans86> I'm peaceful
[21:53] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> that just shows what our society has come to
[21:53] <Mark_NERUSY> theres a difference between violent shows and living peaceful daily lives though
[21:53] <caplan> or with all sorts of hate being bombarded at us
[21:53] <Jason_Lustig> and a lot of them are on little kids who dont know
[21:54] <caplan> EXACTLY!
[21:54] <Easten> What's your opinion on "Miss America". IS that not the dumbest thing? "I believe in world peace..."
[21:54] <AtownAndrew> But its hard to live peace when violence is all around.
[21:54] <tans86> maybe they do!
[21:54] <Mark_NERUSY> its too easy to blame societal problems on TV or even some media
[21:54] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> "i want all the little puppy dogs 2 b pretty and dumb, and liars, just like me:
[21:54] <Robbie_Paskowitz> but we watch violence for it's "entertainment"
[21:54] <Elise_ECRUSY> i think its really fake
[21:54] <caplan> which leads to the furthering of the downward spiral. as kids who dont undersytasnd it take it all in, they grow up, and make society drop steeper
[21:54] <JordanKiley> There is always someone who wants to mislead others to believe that they are better, so they will go around and kill others
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[21:54] <AlexEdelman> we live in a violent country. 66% support death penelty, and almost everyone was gung ho about bombing the heck out of Afganastan the minute we found out bin Ladin was there
[21:54] <Jason_Lustig> so if we've seen the downward spiral, talking about how we got there wont help us... as USYers, how can we fix this problem?
[21:55] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> miss america should b the worlds SMARTEST woman
[21:55] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> not the one who looks best in a bathing suit
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[21:55] <BigNides> im sure if we kill everyone the problem will be solved
[21:55] <Mark_NERUSY> supporting death pealty isnt violence, the means of carrying out the death penalty arent even violent
[21:55] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> lol
[21:55] <Elise_ECRUSY> thats really scary to think about... but the stats cant be that high in canada..hehe
[21:55] <tans86> touche, dillman
[21:55] <Jason_Lustig> yeah but then everyone will be dead!
[21:55] <Easten> I know. they could skip all the modelling and focus on better stuff
[21:55] <caplan> humanity was begginingt o soar to great hights.... we took a drop at the industrial revolution.... we managed to pull our nose up a bit, but ulitimatly the downward spiral has continued and gotten worse.... we're all gonna die
[21:55] <caplan> one day at lease
[21:55] <caplan> least
[21:55] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> dont crack on models!
[21:55] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> eh hem
[21:55] <tans86> caplan, you think too much
[21:55] <JordanKiley> I hate how before 9/11, barely anyone cared about the Taliban, or even knew what it was, and now they are all "Down with the Taliban"
[21:55] <Elise_ECRUSY> were not going ot die!
[21:55] <BigNides> ya, most plans do have side-effects
[21:55] <Robbie_Paskowitz> caplan thinks too much?!?
[21:56] <JordanKiley> What's wrong with models?
[21:56] <Mark_NERUSY> how did we drop at the industrial revolution
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> nothin
[21:56] <tans86> elise, you will eventually!
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> i am one
[21:56] <caplan> one day we will
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> dont crack one em
[21:56] <JordanKiley> I model
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> me too
[21:56] <caplan> everyone thinks to much
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> people did a lot of bad things around the industrial revolution for money
[21:56] <Mark_NERUSY> thats unfaiur
[21:56] <AlexEdelman> when you kill someone, even by leathel injection, it's violence
[21:56] <caplan> lets sit back in the sun and enjoy a tune on a guitar
[21:56] <BigNides> ppl do bad stuff now for money
[21:56] <Jason_Lustig> lethal injection doesnt hurt though... you just die
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> when u kill ssome one PERIOD its evil
[21:56] <BigNides> whats changed?
[21:56] <Robbie_Paskowitz> in today;s society, what isn't violence?
[21:56] <Elise_ECRUSY> i wish it was sunny now
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> its still violent!
[21:56] <tans86> caplan, write me another song!
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> they're Dyying!!!
[21:56] <caplan> it will solve all our problems if we extrapolate my solution
[21:56] <Elise_ECRUSY> me too, ben!
[21:56] <Easten> I agree. i didn't know about the taliban before 9/11
[21:56] <tans86> stop copying me elise!
[21:56] <BigNides> nothing has really changed, only our perception of violence
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> of course
[21:56] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> not
[21:56] <Thebar> night all
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[21:57] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> jason ull b happy 2 kno that i gg
[21:57] <caplan> people didn;t care about the taliban becuase it didn;t have a spin put on it by the media
[21:57] <caplan> or becuase they didn;t know about it
[21:57] <tans86> later amanda! do you have AIM?
[21:57] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> ,12xoxo bye have fun
[21:57] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> yes
[21:57] <JordanKiley> I did, I sent letters to the gov. saying how they should fight the Taliban
[21:57] <Jason_Lustig> people didnt care because it didnt affect them specifically
[21:57] <tans86> what's your name on it?
[21:57] <Elise_ECRUSY> i g2g... goodnight everyone (especially ecrusy)
[21:57] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> xXBaDGuRL4LXx
[21:57] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> thats 4 nebody who wants 2 IM me:)
[21:58] <Easten> GOODnight!! What's the next district program??
[21:58] <tans86> thnx amanda! nite!
[21:58] <Robbie_Paskowitz> gnit elise
[21:58] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> IM me now:)
[21:58] <HaGaLiL_DiLLmAn> byeeeee
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[21:58] <Jason_Lustig> guys keep this private
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[21:58] <Jason_Lustig> so how much of an influence does the media REALLY have on people?
[21:58] <caplan> tons
[21:58] <jeremy_goldman> a lot
[21:58] <MaraLapidus> DMohrer... Metny?
[21:58] <dMohrer> yeah
[21:58] <Mark_NERUSY> too much
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> if they wanted to could they skew a presidential election to get the person they wanted elected?
[21:59] <BigNides> none
[21:59] <Mark_NERUSY> but u can always shop for media
[21:59] <caplan> not neccisalyt conciouslyu... but it all stores int he subconcious
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> a lot of people are too lazy and will just take the AP
[21:59] <Mark_NERUSY> there are different sources if u get creative
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[21:59] <kaiou_serena> Small children watch 8 hours of tv a daysometimes. I got most of my early education from Nickelodian. But what if I had been watching CNN or HBO or something?
[21:59] <caplan> true dat
[21:59] <caplan> CNN sucks
[21:59] <JordanKiley> I know
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[21:59] <caplan> its all war propaganda
[21:59] <Mark_NERUSY> cnn is horrible and biased
[21:59] <BigNides> medic is a great way to warp ppls minds, i love it
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> yeah... look at the israel situation with CNN
[21:59] <JordanKiley> CNN is Anti-Israel
[21:59] <Robbie_Paskowitz> nothing is unbiased
[21:59] <caplan> true
[21:59] <JordanKiley> True
[21:59] <Jason_Lustig> if CNN was pro-israel i bet that everyone would be pro-israel
[21:59] <almosthasbeen> hi people
[21:59] <JordanKiley> Nothing has a clean slat
[22:00] <BigNides> this is true
[22:00] <JordanKiley> Hey
[22:00] <Mark_NERUSY> but you can go to arutzsheva's website or the jerusalem post for a different spin
[22:00] <kaiou_serena> All the Arab companies own CNN , that's why.
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[22:00] <caplan> thats biased too
[22:00] <caplan> right wing spin
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> like i said, many people are too lazy to find unbiased news
[22:00] <tans86> HERSH!!!!
[22:00] <Mark_NERUSY> yeah but that way u get two biases
[22:00] <JordanKiley> yeah
[22:00] <Mark_NERUSY> you can just read emm both
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[22:00] <caplan> no, its becuase bashing israel makes for good news
[22:00] <Mark_NERUSY> not recently though
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[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> it depends on public opinion
[22:00] <JordanKiley> It's important to know both sides of a story
[22:00] <kaiou_serena> bashing anyone makes good news.
[22:00] <almosthasbeen> what are we talking about btw
[22:00] <Mark_NERUSY> a lot more media sources are siding with israel out of sympathy
[22:00] <Jason_Lustig> i mean, look at McKinley and Roosevelt...
[22:00] <caplan> red 5 reports to get all the facts...
[22:00] <caplan> read
[22:01] <JordanKiley> I really enjoy BBC because they try to have both sides of every issue
[22:01] <caplan> that shoul counter spin everything
[22:01] <Jason_Lustig> but many people are lazy and will only read one!
[22:01] <tans86> almosthasbeen, who are you?
[22:01] <almosthasbeen> im me
[22:01] <almosthasbeen> who are you
[22:01] <caplan> and THATS the problem
[22:01] <Hershey_Chocolate> i am the lazy one!
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[22:01] <tans86> im me...
[22:01] <Mark_NERUSY> which is why most americans are ignorant and biased one way or another
[22:01] <tans86> BERNIE!!!
[22:01] <BigNides> good thing im not american
[22:01] <JordanKiley> They side w/ Israel cuz it's assumed they will get on the "rich Jews'" side
[22:01] <tans86> Hersh, we noticed that....how was your workout?
[22:01] <almosthasbeen> bernie?
[22:01] <Mark_NERUSY> thats not true at all
[22:01] <Jeff_Bernstein_ECRUSY> hi everyone
[22:01] <caplan> its far more complicvated
[22:01] <tans86> bernie...bernstein...
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> american politics are screwed up to start with
[22:02] <Mark_NERUSY> there arent enoug hrich jews
[22:02] <BigNides> hey jeff
[22:02] <caplan> we all try to simplify and paraphrase the situations
[22:02] <caplan> we know little about it
[22:02] <JordanKiley> It's a stereotype
[22:02] <caplan> and pretedn we know all
[22:02] <almosthasbeen> we dont know anything actually
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> that is right, caplan...
[22:02] <Hershey_Chocolate> what if we do konw all?
[22:02] <Mark_NERUSY> they side with israel cuz theyre victims of terrorism every day and the us is empatheitic
[22:02] <JordanKiley> Yeah
[22:02] <kaiou_serena> it started with the Election of 1820-something which started using images and slogans instead of issues to pick our leaders.
[22:02] <Jason_Lustig> the only way we'd know stuff is if we got into politics itself
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